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Democrats must win
Published on October 24, 2006 By Bahu Virupaksha In Politics
In the run up to the Iraq war three years ago, both Republicans and Democrats vied with each other to denounce the threat posed by Saddams alleged weapons of mass destruction and his support for the Al Qaeda. Now after destroting a rich and vibrant country, after killing nearly 650,000 Iraqis ans spending huge sums of tax dollars, the US cotizens now know that their president took them to war for totally unwanted and probably self delided reasons. This is not the time nor the place to state that on this issue we have correctly predicted that the US strategy was way off the mark and it will ot work. At last the neocon agenda which had an illegitimate access to political power thanks to the Bush-Cheeny-Rumsfeldt trio has come unstuck and the nation is paying a huge price for the folly of allowing a bunch of illinformed idelogues run amuck. What is to be done?

This November the voters in all probably will throw out the Republicans and usher in the Democrats. This is however predicated on the unlikely possibility that Bin Laden will not come out with his periodic message to the American people. If this happens then the Republicans will be a shoo in. In other words a video appearance of Bin Laden will help the Republicans and one would not be surprised if a few days before the elections we find a new message manufactured for a domestic audience. Havong said the unspeakable me me go on to other issues.

The war in Iraq is already lost and there is no point in shoring up a government that does not command any respect. Al Maliki is regarded a quisling by the Iraqi people and they have utter contempt for him and his ministers who strut around Baghdad with hired American security guards. If the Americans leave Maliki with fall by the time the US ambassador reaches the airport to take a flight out of Iraq. The sectarian division that the US occupation has engendered will lead to a civil war and the intervention of Iran will help shore up the country. The greatest mistake that Bush made was to antagonise Iran and the US is paying a heavy price. It makes little sense to make an enemy of Iran when we know for a fact that Iran commands a following amongst the shiaa population. In fact it is the militia loyal to al Sadr that is creating havoc in Amara province. In Baghdad itself the Americns have reduced theri patrols to the time when it is safe. Nearly 100 troops have been killed in this momnth alone.

Against this bleak background can we say that the Democrats have a plan that will succeed. The truthful answer is that the Democrats will make the job of holdind out in Iraq more difficult and make it impossible for the C-In-C to "stay the course". In all probability the Democrts will insist on a phased withdrawal from Iraq and that is just the message the insurgents are waiting for.In fact Democrats ike Hilary Clinton deserve no sympathy as they have voted for the war and now are making noises against it.

Now even the pro-administration journalists have begun using the "V" word. There is one major difference. There were no major strategic interests of the US in South east Asia and hence a defeat or retreat did not matter. This, however, is not the case in the Near East.




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on Oct 24, 2006
So "we" killed 650k Iraqis? And we "made" an enemy of Iran?

What garbage you spew.
on Oct 24, 2006
Now after destroting a rich and vibrant country, after killing nearly 650,000 Iraqis


What absolute rubbish! Most of the killing has been done by the Iraqis violence Iraqis!

I do not like Bush or Blair myself but when I hear crap like this being bandied (sp)about I have to say something. BULLSHIT BAHU - this is bollocks - I will not believe this tripe!
on Oct 24, 2006
Iraqi violence on Iraqis is what it is supposed to read.
on Oct 24, 2006
Bahu is a very intelligent, well read person who has let his hate turn his opinions to foolishness and fantasy. Iraq has been a string of errors, it is ugly, it is difficult, and right now the prospects are bleak. People like Bahu don't have to be liars and make a joke out of their points, they just can't control themselves enough to put forward a rational argument.
on Oct 24, 2006
So you’re advocating the handing over control of Iraq to Iran, for the betterment of the Iraqi people?

For someone who always cry about the few Human Rights abuses that some now Jailed soldiers have committed, you seem real quick to force a theocracy on people who have Human Rights abuses as thier main law enforcement staple.

So it's OK for Iran to behead or cut off hands for misdemeanors, force no legal rights on woman, and stone people to death for not being Muslim?

But in your mind, the US is the ultimate evil, right?

Have you been so warped by you political hatred, to no longer recognize what is naturally right and wrong? I would love to see you live as an Iranian citizen for awhile.
on Oct 24, 2006
Bahu is a very intelligent, well read person who has let his hate turn his opinions to foolishness and fantasy. Iraq has been a string of errors, it is ugly, it is difficult, and right now the prospects are bleak. People like Bahu don't have to be liars and make a joke out of their points, they just can't control themselves enough to put forward a rational argument


Being a well read and intelligent person - it is a pity he does not practice the "Learned" rational way of putting things down on e-paper that the many other well read intelligent people on JU do. With this article he is a poor example of being educated - crikey I in my unschooled and not so well read intelligence could do better than this.

Information in this article is nothing short of inflammatory propaganda. It is also disrespectful to those who have died at the hands of their own people.

Bahu - shame on you! You are making a habit of putting up things like this to spread hatred. Pray for your soul my friend it is getting very close to whatever your religion calls hell!
on Oct 24, 2006
I understand the angst with Bahu over stuff like this, but my point was this isn't Bahu speaking. This is Bahu's rage at what he sees to be injustice. I've seen plenty of questionable statistics and overblown statements on the Right side of this message board when they lose their composure, too.

To quote Colonel Bill Kilgore, someday this war is going to be over. Then, you'll have people like Col Gene still making empty arguments that fly in the face of all reason simply because they are political beasts. Call me naive, but I think Bahu believes what he says, and I think until we find a way to reason with people like Bahu, there's no hope for an end to this or many other conflicts.
on Oct 24, 2006
BakerStreet


Your point is understood. Just like Col, Bahu truly believes in what he writes. Funny how, in my opinion, they both have this in common with Bush as well. I have come to the conclusion, of my own, that Bush actually believes in what he is doing as its not all necessarily what someone else (Big Oil)wants him to do. Sure there is some influence, but all in all, I think Bush has faith in his beliefs and what he does. I'm not saying he's right, just that I'm not truly convinced this is all about him being someone else's puppet. But again this is just my opinion.

We have to remember that just like we think that these terrorist, insurgents, militia, etc, are horrible people who seem to have no respect for life; they too see us as horrible people and what they do to us seems like normal and justified to them. One things is for sure though, killing innocent people as a way to attack the US Gov't; or any Gov't of any country, is wrong no matter what you believe in. You don't take your frustration out on the baby brother of the guy who gave you a black eye.
on Oct 25, 2006
"Just like Col, Bahu truly believes in what he writes."


I never said that. I'm not sure at this point that it is true. I've come to the conclusion that the Col will say what it takes to do harm to his political demons regardless of the truth. I don't think that is the way it is with Bahu, I think he is so wrapped up in it that he tends to believe the worst.
on Oct 25, 2006
I understand the angst with Bahu over stuff like this, but my point was this isn't Bahu speaking. This is Bahu's rage at what he sees to be injustice. I've seen plenty of questionable statistics and overblown statements on the Right side of this message board when they lose their composure, too.

To quote Colonel Bill Kilgore, someday this war is going to be over. Then, you'll have people like Col Gene still making empty arguments that fly in the face of all reason simply because they are political beasts. Call me naive, but I think Bahu believes what he says, and I think until we find a way to reason with people like Bahu, there's no hope for an end to this or many other conflicts


If I understand you correctly Baker - you are saying it is pointless getting upset when Bahu writes something like this as nothing we say will change his view caused by his rage. Our feelings of outrage are a waste of energy and would be put to better use elsewhere perhaps.

By responding to what he has written we are playing into his enraged hands and feeding him.

Thankyou once again for your logic and ability to see beyond the surface of what is said, I all too often (as I have said before) read things too shallowly and take the words said or written at face value.

on Oct 25, 2006
Citizen)little-whipOctober 25, 2006 10:15:57


You taking to stalking me now LW? My my your life is a sad one!

You show your marked lack of intelligence as I have stated quite clearly above that I am not a learned or well read person - you certainly make yourself look like an ass now with this do you not?

on Oct 29, 2006
Some readers seem to think that the fifure 650,000 Iraqis killed or otherwise rendered incapacitated due tio the war is overstretched and even exaggerated. This figure is given by LANCET in a recent article and is wudely accepted as a fairly accurate estimate. Remember in such collosal tragedies an exact number is hard to come by.

Now the Domestic consequences of the War in Iraq. It is possible that the Republicans will not retain their majority in the House, though there are some who say that the Senate race will be too close to call. However the fact remains that Bush and his neo con agenda stands rejected by the American people and there will be a political backlash in that a timeline or a change of course will be on the cards.
on Oct 29, 2006
the US is the ultimate evil, right?Have you been so warped by you political hatred, to no longer recognize what is naturally right and wrong? I would love to see you live as an Iranian citizen for awhile


This is certainly not the way a political argument can be stated. I am not an American hater as will be clear from several of my posts on this site. However, I am opposed to the War for the simple reason that it does not serve even American interests. After the huge expenditure on the war the loss of lives, just think What has the Bush Administration achieved for the American people. He has only contributed to increasing the raw recruits for the Al Qaeda and Bin Laden must be very happy with the performance of Bush.
on Oct 29, 2006
Bahu - shame on you! You are making a habit of putting up things like this to spread hatred. Pray for your soul my friend it is getting very close to whatever your religion calls hell!


Jennifer I am truly sorry that you should say this. My purpose is only to critique the War in a manner that does not distort reality. Religion is not involved here as I am really opposed to fundamentalism in any form or shape.

Put yourself in the position, if you can of an ordinary Iraqi getting on with the task of feeding his family, educating his chioldren and doing the sort of things that people all over the world like to do. The US came in using the pretext of the WMD and destroyed everything. The civil and sectasrian strife is only the newest dimension of what was started.
on Oct 29, 2006
The result of our invasion in Iraq is the following:

We have enabled an election where the people selected a government with a majority that is similar to the power base in Iran.

We have unleashed the internal factions in Iraq and have allowed the sectarian violence to erupt in Iraq causing instability.

We have enabled foreign terrorists (al Qaeda) to begin operating in western Iraq where that did not operate prior to our invasion.

All the above make us LESS not MORE secure and this policy has only cost America 2,800 dead, over 20,000 injured at a cost of about $500 Billion so far.
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