I have no idea. After hurricane Katrina we had press reports of millions in trouble and dead. When people were allowed to find out the facts it turns out that not that many were killed and the displacement was not as bad as what we were lead to beleve. I would wait until the facts come out and then look at what really happend. The UN was only in Iraq for a few months and ran away after the first bomb went off at their office. That was the first year of the conflict. so how the UNHCR got their numbers is suspect.

The numbers on the dead are all estimates because no one has been keeping an official count. The Best count is 60k since the beginning of the war 4 years ago.



Yes, Iran has nothing to do with the deaths of Iraqis because they only arm fund and train the people doing the attacks that don't even involve Americans because that would be an act of war and we would invade the same day we proved it happened.



Three million dead or missing since Saqddam took power is small change to the three quarters of a million that you claim but have no proof of? Maybe I misunderstand math is 750k more than three million? Please pay me 3 million and I will pay you a whopping 750K for your trouble.

And I imagine it's quite hard for you here, dealing with the bias of most posters toward the so-called 'right wing' (except that there is no 'right' here in America, just as there is no 'left': just very confused conservatives and even more confused socialists, neither group knowing anything about the realities of what they claim to stand for).

I have always believed in Machevaleian politics, in the sense of how the Prince outlines amorality in politics. I agree that politics is the art of the possible as the uncommon common man sings in Madona's Evita.

I was wrong and wish to set the record straight. I stated that the number of deaths in Iraq were roughly 60k and that was wrong I rounded the number because I did not have the exact figures. The latest report from YOUR beloved UN states the number dead at 53,200 I don’t remember the last two digits so I left them as zeros. This is since the restart of hostilities 4 years ago to this month. You say the number is three quarters of a million? Are you sure of that number? I wanted to get the numbers from a source you trusted to eliminate the crap about liberal Vs. conservative figures and in this case it proved me wrong but the numbers are in line with what I have seen so I will accept them.

There are two distinct figures to deal with: First, the number of civilian deaths directly stemming from the US militatry action and that figure is close to 55,000. Then there is the loss of life caused by the militia and government sponsored death squads and in the last 4 years the number is nearly 3/4 of a million and since the US is the invading power and is responsible fopr the security of the civilian population the responsibility for the civilian deaths lies squarely on the doorstep of the USA. And then there is the 2 million internally displaved by the war and are in temporary shelters in Jordan and other West Asian countries.

I have given a link to a web site that gives the figure for casualities caused by the US military alone.Link

Sso by your logic since we invaded Japan Germany and Korea all deaths that happen there are the responsibility of the USA? We are still and occupying force in all three countries so all deaths for the past 60 years is our fault.

by your logic since we invaded Japan Germany and Korea all deaths that happen there are the responsibility of the USA? We are still and occupying force in all three countries so all deaths for the past 60 years is our fault

There is a basic difference: In World War II USA responded to armed aggression, however in Iraq USA is the invading country and cannopt claim the high ground os self defence.

During WWI Germany did not declare war on the USA yet we went to war with them anyway.

During WWII Germany declared war on us and we went to war with Germany and Italy but only Japan attacked us.

In the war with Iraq they invaded Kuwait we went to war with Iraq and won. Iraq signed a cease fire with all nations of the coalition. Iraq violated the cease fire and 17 UN resolutions legally we or any nation in the coalition had the right to continue the war that never ended. To add to this Saddam publicly stated that he would sell or give parts of his stockpiles of WMD to any terrorist that would use them on Israel or the USA. After 9/11 what would you do? Wait until we are attacked and thousands killed? Or attack him first because he said he would help our enemies in a time of war? Hitler said much the same when he declared war on America even though he never attacked us. We did not wait until we were attacked we went in first. Got our butts kicked the first battle but won the war.

Iraq violated the cease fire and 17 UN resolutions legally we or any nation in the coalition had the right to continue the war that never ended. To add to this Saddam publicly stated that he would sell or give parts of his stockpiles of WMD to any terrorist that would use them on Israel or the USA

Iraq was not found in infringement of any UN Resolution including the one petrtaining to Weapons of Mass Destruction. The USA used it as a pretext to invade and occupy the copuntry and the net result is there for all to see. No one can in all honesty justify the invasion and the total destruction of civil society in Iraq. And now the oil wealth of Iraq is virtually in the hands of US companies.

Sorry but if you fail to keep up with current events you are doomed to be ignorant.
In a cease fire once you break it the war continues. All your silliness aside he broke the cease fire over many years and any nation that is a member of the UN can enforce that without any continued say so from the UN. Just like North Korea, if they begin to fire more than a few rounds across the border the war will continue as if it never stopped. We all seem to know this if we studied history. Have you studied history?