The left never tires of trying to push the lemonade back into the lemon.

At least you finally admit this is one big fat lemon of an idea.

"At least you finally admit this is one big fat lemon of an idea"

There is nothing wrong with making lemonade, all of the 'free Iraq' rhetoric is an attempt to keep the peasants happy. We all know that Iraq is a political and economic exercise, and the 'freedom' of the Iraqi peasants comes at the bottom of the list of 'things to do'.

The U.S. should have done things the old fashion way. Lay waste to the country, then sort it out. Fewer people to deal with!

but then canada would have been pissed at us....oh wait.....

Reply #19 By: MythicalMino - 1/8/2005 11:11:36 AM The U.S. should have done things the old fashion way. Lay waste to the country, then sort it out. Fewer people to deal with! but then canada would have been pissed at us....oh wait.....

Does that mean too late or who cares?

ok I am going to endevor to be succient and nice at the same time'

now we know you're lying

THE WHOLE FUCKING WORLD THOUGHT SADDAM had weapons of mass destruction......... Bush did not lie ..... I respect your right to not like bush , to disagree with bush but FOR GODS SAKE MAN GET OVER IT........

and you just proved the lie in your next statement. you are the one who needs to get over it. where are the weapons? you bought into a bluff. and now you're buying into a lie. don't give me some crap about how they went to syria. we mapped every inch of iraq with satellites and there has been no evidence. Every reason for going to war has been debunked, only the lies and the dead remain.

You know Bahu I would like to thank you. I have been labeled a butthead by more than a few on this list. And to be frank I probably deserve the label. But you are working out to be a bigger one than me and as such it pulls the heat off me. So type your foolish head off.

The Capitol is now rife with miles and miles of telephone wire that has many many pairs of burning pants hanging on them.

Democracy is absolutely alien to the Arab mind, in short, they do not want it.

This is a false belief/assumption. The huge election turnout in Afghanistan has been sloughed off as a non-event because it doesn't fit nicely into the pessimistic view of the left which purports to know what Muslims/Arabs want. I give the left credit for doing a pretty good job of hiding their disappointment when that election went well, but their silence tells the story.

That's the thing about the left - they claim to know what everyone else wants and needs. They pride themselves on being the "voice of the unheard little guy" and are completely oblivious when "the little guy" disagrees with them & says, "No, wait, that's actually not what I want."

And to return to Bahu's initial point - the US never intended to "prevail" in Iraq. This is not the return of the Raj in another location. The intent has always been to eliminate Saddam's regime & turn the country back over to its citizens, most of whom are grateful for the opportunity, whether they "like" the current US presence or not.

Cheers,
Daiwa

"That's the thing about the left"


Those that think I am a left-winger, should read my website. www.sirpetermaxwell.com

Democracy is being propped up by military power in Afghanistan, the President has no control outside of Kabul, you are naive if you think a fully fledged democracy can work in the Middle East because they are all uncouth Arabs and would rather act like monkeys than English gentleman. England after all is the birth place of the modern form of democracy.

Your idea of democracy and those in prominent positions in the Arab world, are completely different. They are centuries behind, democracy is completely alien to the human mindset (even in our own countries we have to fight hard to preserve it) and in reality democracy can never truly exist.

Too much money is being wasted paying for Arabs to vote, when in reality, democracy must happened naturally. And besides, it should not be our concern to lose money for the sake of their "freedom" when in reality we should be looking to set up dictators that will do business with us. If it doesn't turn a profit, then it is not worth the billions.

It's always amusing to watch the left try to re-define what success is. And they wonder why they're so despised by so many.

The primary objective in Iraq was to remove Saddam.  The SECONDARY objective is to establish a democratic regime. But personally, I could care less if the Iraqi's have a democracy or not. I just wanted Saddam's regime removed.

If someone else causes trouble, we can take them out too.

George and Tony are going too far old boy, the original plan was to take out Saddam sell oil contracts and construction contracts, let another dictator take over and then do the same again in a few years time.

This 'democratic experiment' is folly.

I would like to point out that the reason we went into Iraq is not available to us. The president of this once great, and hopefully to become great again in four more years, country, has been moving some "goalposts" of his own. These would be the "reason" for invading Iraq. He has told us it's democracy, he has told us WMD's, he has told us saddam is a "threat" he has shouted Bullshit all over the place, but the fact remains that no where, NO WHERE in the world have we EVER EVER EVER made such a Mistake as we made in Vietnam and we have made in Iraq (both times under chimps for presidents).

Sandy - if you're confused why we went into Iraq you can look at some of my articles from BEFORE the war that outline why we went in.

Sir Peter actually has a valid point.

Democracy is alien to the Arab mind. Unlike the west, where we do our best to seperate church and state, Islam is tied extremely close to the politics of the land. This has created a culture of theocracy that has a defined Earthly heirarchy of enlightened leaders'. Ergo, not every man (and woman) is created equally. Add to the perversions of Muhammeds original recital of prophecy that has occured over the past few centuries, and you find a political climate of not only godheads ruling the populace, but a repressive culture towards women and infidels.

Originally the Koran was understood to teach equality on a personal and cultural level. The Koran is the only holy book of Judaic tradition that specifically addresses women concerning their rights as humans. Mohammed himself was close friends with many Jewish and Christian teachers, who he consulted with as the recital was revealed. Mohammed did not want to be a prophet, but understood the great importance that monotheism could have in uniting the Arab people, much like it had their Jewish and Christian neighbors. The Koran did teach equality, it did teach kinsmanship with the other faiths, and even Muhammed recognized that Christ was Al-lahs wisdom incarnate in human form. Yet with all things, it's lessons have become perveted as Islamic factions have splintered between the mystical and reasoning. Men lust for power, and we will twist anything available to our own ends to achieve that power. This is the nature of Arabic politics, it is the perversion of the Islamic faith and this is why 14yr old boys strap explosives to their bodies and blow up civilians.

Not that Christianity has a much better track record. But thats another response for another article.

So in effect, we really should have just laid waste to the region and taken what resources we can acquire. Why deny our own nature?