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How many Columbines will it take, before the USA bans hand guns
Published on March 24, 2005 By Bahu Virupaksha In Politics
The recent killing in the shools at Minnesota is only the latest in a long and dreary stream of killings. After each such massacre there is the ususal voive of reason and moderation asking for gun control. The sane voices are soon drowned by a cacophony of noises emanating fro the gun lobby. The time has come to move a constitutional ammendment to out law the sale of guna to any one under thwe age of 30. The guns sold must be registered at the AFT of the Federal Government. The sale of hand weapons that can be consealed on the body must be outlawed altogether. For game hunting guns of lesser calibre may be considered, but assault rifles must be strictly out of bounds to young people. Serious crmes with hand guns must carry a heavier punishment, including prison without parole.

The time has come to consider seriously gun control. The war in Iraq will actually increase the level of violence as young men trained to open fire without any provocastion try ti reenter civilliam life.

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on Mar 24, 2005

This is stupid.  NO hand guns were used here or at Columbine, so banning them would not have made one damn bit of difference.

Sheesh, dont you even read what you opinionate on?

on Mar 24, 2005


GUNS KILL: LET THERE BE CONTROLS


How many Columbines will it take, before the USA bans hand guns

By: Bahu Virupaksha on Discussion on History and Politics
Posted: 3/24/2005 4:22:27 AM
The recent killing in the shools at Minnesota is only the latest in a long and dreary stream of killings. After each such massacre there is the ususal voive of reason and moderation asking for gun control. The sane voices are soon drowned by a cacophony of noises emanating fro the gun lobby. The time has come to move a constitutional ammendment to out law the sale of guna to any one under thwe age of 30. The guns sold must be registered at the AFT of the Federal Government. The sale of hand weapons that can be consealed on the body must be outlawed altogether. For game hunting guns of lesser calibre may be considered, but assault rifles must be strictly out of bounds to young people. Serious crmes with hand guns must carry a heavier punishment, including prison without parole.

The time has come to consider seriously gun control. The war in Iraq will actually increase the level of violence as young men trained to open fire without any provocastion try ti reenter civilliam life.



Are you even an american? When are you going to grow a brain and quit being such a butthead?
on Mar 24, 2005

The kid in Minnesota killed his grandfather (possibly with the grandfather's own gun) who was a tribal police officer and took his squad car and weapons.  Are you saying even law enforcers shouldn't be able to defend themselves?

  I think you are nuts!  Speaking of nuts, many people have died due to nut allergies so we should outlaw nuts too.  Oh, cars kill people every day.  Better outlaw cars, they are deadly weapons.  And we are teaching 16yr olds to drive those weapons without provocation!!  How many accidents will it take before USA outlaws motor vehicles?!

on Mar 24, 2005
hey....baseball bats, crowbars, knives....just about anything a person can get their hands on can kill someone....I think what we need to do, is just outlaw ppl until they are 30 years old or older....
on Mar 24, 2005
There are enough blatent flaws in the arguement above to show that this is someone who has *zero* knowledge concerning guns, American firearm laws, and gun crime.

He's talking about the AFT(sic, I assume ATF), suggesting "lesser" caliburs for hunting firearms when most assault rifles are of lesser calibur (5.56mm, 9mm, etc.). He suggests we register guns when we have been doing that since before I was born. He suggests stiffer penalties for crimes committed with a handgun, which we already have. He suggests making it illegal to sell guns to people in their 20's, though they are legally recognized as adults.

And not a single suggestion that would have prevented the case he is talking about. Not unlike most people who erupt every time there is a shooting, as though no one is ever killed any other way...


The fact is most Americans, and most people in other countries, unless they are interested in guns, have no clue what the laws are where they live. I have talked to people in other nations that were SURE it was illegal to own a gun, and upon checking I found their nation's laws about as lax, and in some cases even more lax, than ours.
on Mar 24, 2005
Amazing amount of rationalization to allow guns, of all calibers, to be bought and sold in the United States with no controls whatsoever. Sick crap. Geez, if I wanted to go out and buy a 50-caliber gun, I could. Doesn't that scare anyone? Doesn't the fact that we, as a nation, have the highest number of gun deaths in the modern world bother anyone? Not by one or two, but by thousands and thousand of shootings and deaths. We have become a wild west nation, yet seem to take umbrage when another country wants new guns. We are an embarassing bunch of hypocrits, all based on some loose interpretation of the Second Amendment.

Whether an American or another world citizen takes issue with this should not matter. Making it an issue is merely deflecting the issue, which some here seem to love to do.

Thank you, Bahu.
on Mar 24, 2005

Guns don't kill people, bullets do.  Make it harder to get the ammo!

Seriously, the thing that some of you always seem to overlook is law is not the problem.  People who get their weapons legally aren't the problem.  The kid in Minnesota stole the guns from his grandfather who was a law enforcer.  I will agree whole heartedly that society as a whole has some serious problems.  Sorry to say that gun control laws aren't going to make problems like those school shootings go away.  Hell, the school even had a metal detector at the front door and the kid shot his way through. 

What is happening to these kids at home and school is the real problem but there is no simple answer to those issues so we will just point the finger at gun control.

on Mar 24, 2005
The time has come to consider seriously gun control.

We have gun control already. We need to enfore what we have instead of making more laws.

People who get their weapons legally aren't the problem.

Exactly.

Make it harder to get the ammo!

Where I live, you have to have a FOID (Firearm Owners IDentification)card in order to even buy ammo, let alone buy a gun. In the state I used to live in, you could buy gun without a permit, and getting a concealed carry permit was relatively easy (I have one). But, as Jill said, people who obtain firearms legitimately aren't the problem....
on Mar 24, 2005
Americans love their guns. All kinds of them. But one thing about this particular event, I'd have to say accessible guns are the problem. If that crapwad cop had his gun locked away there would be no massacre, unless the kid beat the hell out of people with the Sunday New York Times. And let's not BS anyone out there. Guns kill people, and people use the guns. It's not the person that kills. It's not the gun alone that kills. It's the person using the gun that kills. So they're both to blame.
on Mar 24, 2005
Amazing amount of rationalization to allow guns, of all calibers, to be bought and sold in the United States with no controls whatsoever. Sick crap. Geez, if I wanted to go out and buy a 50-caliber gun, I could. Doesn't that scare anyone? Doesn't the fact that we, as a nation, have the highest number of gun deaths in the modern world bother anyone? Not by one or two, but by thousands and thousand of shootings and deaths. We have become a wild west nation, yet seem to take umbrage when another country wants new guns. We are an embarassing bunch of hypocrits, all based on some loose interpretation of the Second Amendment.

Whether an American or another world citizen takes issue with this should not matter. Making it an issue is merely deflecting the issue, which some here seem to love to do.

Thank you, Bahu.


You need to get a grip! No where in ANY of the replies does ANYONE suggest selling firearms willy-nilly with no controls. See according to people like yourself the 2nd amendment pertains to a "group" of people yet the rest of the amendments pertain to individuals? What kind of lunacy thinking is that?
As far as being able to buy a 50 cal firearm, having them out where people can buy them does not scare me. What scares me is having them where "you" could buy one! On to last point. As Bahu is not american he/she has absolutely NO say whether or not we should be able to buy guns or not. As what they're talking about are american laws! BTW your ignorance is showing again. We as a nation do NOT take umburage over some other nation wanting new guns. Guns do NOT equal weapons of mass destruction! Nukes,chem and bio weapons are what we're concerned with. And get off the wild west crap because that's just what it is.....crap!
on Mar 24, 2005
Guns kill people, and people use the guns. It's not the person that kills. It's not the gun alone that kills. It's the person using the gun that kills. So they're both to blame.


Guns do NOT kill people! People kill people! Firearms are a tool. And like ANY tool can be misused! Auto's kill more per year than firearms do yet I don't hear you saying we should be getting rid of them. Case in point: tool being misused. I've NEVER seen any firearm pull it's own trigger.
on Mar 24, 2005
As far as being able to buy a 50 cal firearm, having them out where people can buy them does not scare me. What scares me is having them where "you" could buy one!


You're a freakin' idiot. What's so much scarier about me buying a gun than you, you dipshit. That's my point. Not that you or I can buy one, but that ANYONE can buy one.
on Mar 24, 2005
~~~~The time has come to consider seriously gun control. The war in Iraq will actually increase the level of violence as young men trained to open fire without any provocastion try ti reenter civilliam life.~~~~

And where, exactly, is your proof of this?
I know several men who've come back from Iraq, and none of them are inclined to "open fire without any provocation".

There is gun control; we have thousands of laws on the books, and gosh, people still die from guns stolen from their law-abiding owners and/or purchased illegally.
The laws don't bother criminals, genius, that's why they're criminals.
You know, the anti-gun nuts cry so loudly every time something like this happens. More laws! Take the guns away! They're a danger!

It's not like you see automatic weapons hanging from the shoulders on everyday people in the street. This isn't Palestine, for God's sake; hey, that's a thought...why doesn't anyone on the Left ever call for stricter gun control there? More laws! Take away their guns!
Maybe there'd be less death on both sides, huh? A new crusade for the Left!
on Mar 24, 2005
As far as being able to buy a 50 cal firearm, having them out where people can buy them does not scare me. What scares me is having them where "you" could buy one!


You're a freakin' idiot. What's so much scarier about me buying a gun than you, you dipshit. That's my point. Not that you or I can buy one, but that ANYONE can buy one.


AFTER they pass their background checks. You can't just waltz in anymore and get a firearm without it. It's because of your barely suppressed rage and your willingness to go to war with ANYONE who differs in opinion. *You* are among the people who should NEVER have ANY access to ANY firearm! Ignorant butthead!
And BTW, not just anyone can buy one. You at the very least MUST be a US citizen over the age of consent. 18 for long guns and 21 for pistols.
on Mar 24, 2005
" Amazing amount of rationalization to allow guns, of all calibers, to be bought and sold in the United States with no controls whatsoever. Sick crap. "


"That's my point. Not that you or I can buy one, but that ANYONE can buy one."


We have many controls, most of which you know absolutely nothing about. Why? Because you are a liar unconcerned with the truth, as you show time and time again in your responses. You lie when you say that "ANYONE" can buy a gun, probably because you are just as brainwashed by the Micheal Moore mock-umentary that he created using falsehoods and misleading statements.

Kind of like how you blog...
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