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America Looks for a way out but cant find the escape hatch
Published on January 29, 2005 By Bahu Virupaksha In Politics
On the 30 th of this month Iraq will go to the polls. The violence unleashed in Iraq has already made the whole excersise suspect. Candidates are afraid of going before the people. The Sunni population is not at all ken about the poll process, and hence the Shias are likely to benefit from the Sunni boycott of the polls. Thus the elections in Iraq will throw up a government that lacks basic legitimacy in the eyes of the people. Bush has already stated that he wil withdraw his troops from Iraq if the new government asks for a withdrawl. It is clear that the USA wants to cut its losses and leave but does not want to do so in a manner that reminds the world of the American departure from Vietnam. It is hoping for a Allawi victory which would give USA more room for manoevring. So ALLAWI is the man of the hour.
Iyad Allawi, Washington's Prime Minister in Bagdad was a life long member of the very Baath Party the the USA wants out . At one point in time the fromer dictator, {I do not nean Viceroy Paul Bremmer} Saddam Hussain and the current US favourite were the best of friends, It must be admitted that once Saddam mand Allawi fell out, the latter never made any attempt to compromise with the dictator, instead he joined the CIA sponsored effort to topple Saddam. It is well known that in 1978 the secret service of Iraq made an attempt on Allai's life in London and Allawi escaped quite narrowly with his life. This episode shows that Allawi was a brave man, but it does not do any credit to his wisdom or political sagacity. Unlike the former American favourite Ahmed Chablis, Allawi hails from a well to do background and hence there are no wild tales of financial misconduct.
There is a very disturbing aspect of Iyad Allawi which does not gel with the loudly trumpetted cause of Democracy and Human Rights. Allawi as every one in Bagdad knows is very fond of using torture against his political rivals and has even indulged his passion for killing. The CIA handlers of Allawi are aware of his propensity to use violence and yet the USA backed him over other Shia rivals. With a track record such as the one Allawi has, it is unlikely that he will be permitted to sit on the Throne for long.
It is very clear that the 30 January elections are not going to bring peace and Allawi may even end up loosing the el;ections which would only go to show that the USA did not have a clue as to what is happening in Iraq.

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on Jan 29, 2005
It's interisting that you discuss Allawi. Yes, he was Saddam's henchman. And he is prime minister only because he's willing to become Americ Doll.
And I believe if he wins, Iraq will fall into long term turnmoil, because he'll allow USA to stay longer and longer and longer and longer and longer.

Your mentioning about Paul Bremmer as former dictator is COOL !

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on Jan 29, 2005
Iraq Elections will not mean Peace

By: Bahu Virupaksha
Posted: Saturday, January 29, 2005 on Discussion on History and Politics
Message Board: Politics
On the 30 th of this month Iraq will go to the polls. The violence unleashed in Iraq has already made the whole excersise suspect. Candidates are afraid of going before the people. The Sunni population is not at all ken about the poll process, and hence the Shias are likely to benefit from the Sunni boycott of the polls. Thus the elections in Iraq will throw up a government that lacks basic legitimacy in the eyes of the people. Bush has already stated that he wil withdraw his troops from Iraq if the new government asks for a withdrawl. It is clear that the USA wants to cut its losses and leave but does not want to do so in a manner that reminds the world of the American departure from Vietnam. It is hoping for a Allawi victory which would give USA more room for manoevring. So ALLAWI is the man of the hour.
Iyad Allawi, Washington's Prime Minister in Bagdad was a life long member of the very Baath Party the the USA wants out . At one point in time the fromer dictator, {I do not nean Viceroy Paul Bremmer} Saddam Hussain and the current US favourite were the best of friends, It must be admitted that once Saddam mand Allawi fell out, the latter never made any attempt to compromise with the dictator, instead he joined the CIA sponsored effort to topple Saddam. It is well known that in 1978 the secret service of Iraq made an attempt on Allai's life in London and Allawi escaped quite narrowly with his life. This episode shows that Allawi was a brave man, but it does not do any credit to his wisdom or political sagacity. Unlike the former American favourite Ahmed Chablis, Allawi hails from a well to do background and hence there are no wild tales of financial misconduct.
There is a very disturbing aspect of Iyad Allawi which does not gel with the loudly trumpetted cause of Democracy and Human Rights. Allawi as every one in Bagdad knows is very fond of using torture against his political rivals and has even indulged his passion for killing. The CIA handlers of Allawi are aware of his propensity to use violence and yet the USA backed him over other Shia rivals. With a track record such as the one Allawi has, it is unlikely that he will be permitted to sit on the Throne for long.
It is very clear that the 30 January elections are not going to bring peace and Allawi may even end up loosing the el;ections which would only go to show that the USA did not have a clue as to what is happening in Iraq.


More doom and gloom and bullshit from one our favorites lefties.
on Jan 29, 2005
Some interesting allegations about Alawi, there, Bahu. Some actual evidence would be nice - most of your claims are just recycled unsubstantiated rumors. And this election is for an assembly which will write the final Iraqi constitution, not the permanent government.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Jan 29, 2005
I wrote a response to this, but felt it was a bit too long for the comments section. It is posted on my blog, here: Link

If you feel that this would be more appropriate here, I will hide it on my site and repost it here in place of this comment.
on Jan 30, 2005
Elections on Sunday, therefore peaceful, democratic, super-happy Iraq is Tuesday

We all hope, but anyone who actually believes this has to have eaten a lot of paint chips as a child
on Jan 30, 2005
We all hope, but anyone who actually believes this has to have eaten a lot of paint chips as a child




on Jan 30, 2005
I wrote a response to this, now I'm wondering why it's been deleted???
on Jan 30, 2005
What did you say, ParaTed?
on Jan 30, 2005
Hyperborean Wanderer -

I can't remember all of it, and whatever I did say wasn't that important now that the polls are closed.

on Jan 31, 2005


Just a matter of record I am not a Leftist and I detest leftism with as much power as I can command. I believe that USA made a mistake in invading Iraq and the continued occupation does not serve US interests. Tha is all.
on Jan 31, 2005
The shame is how bad some people WANT us to fail in Iraq. It is clear who's "predictions" are just motivated by hate towards Bush.

Look at your articles, Bahu. "After the Kerry Landslide" ; "American Troops in Iraq are revolting", "The Iraq War is As good As lost"...

"Iraq and its civil society has completely fragmented into a whole range of tribal. ethnic and sectarian groups and in these conditions elections are impossible. "

No matter what happens, you'll turn it into a "loss". In 20 years if Iraq is as free and prosperous as the US, you'll still find some way to make it into a failure. No doubt in the next few days you'll have a blog negating the election results and foretelling doom yet again.

Same old song. There's a difference between concern and people who are filled with so much bias that they appear to wish for tragedy. You judge for yourself how you appear.

on Jan 31, 2005
The shame is how bad some people WANT us to fail in Iraq. It is clear who's "predictions" are just motivated by hate towards Bush


I can understand your sentiments. I do not want the USA to fail for the simple reason she has so much to offer to the world in terms of science, technology, ideas, education, literature. The war in Iraq is cerainly jeopardising the respect and I must say, at times even affection that people have towards the US. We expect much more than cluster bombs and dily mayhem.
on Feb 01, 2005
I can understand your sentiments. I do not want the USA to fail for the simple reason she has so much to offer to the world in terms of science, technology, ideas, education, literature. The war in Iraq is cerainly jeopardising the respect and I must say, at times even affection that people have towards the US. We expect much more than cluster bombs and dily mayhem.


Bahu, you express exactly my sentiments. No way do I want the US to fail. That would be so counterproductive to everything I hold dear and important. But, I have zero faith in Dubya and his henchment. I think the Iraq invasion was one of the biggest blunders of modern times. I think that the elections were a good step forward, in that the Iraqi people defied the terrorists and did go out and vote.

But, I'm not really sure that they knew what they were voting for. With 7000 candidates and 256 parties, many, if not most kept secret till just before the elections; I think most people do want democracy, but they want the Americans out even more. I think they were voting for two things: First, for electricity, and secondly, to establish a leadership that will get the invaders out of their country.

I think a lot of hype went into the "success" of the voting, but was it really such a success? The only success, as I said before, was that people did go out to the polls. Will they actually get a democracy? I dunno. Will they get a lot of hardline Islamist leadership, instead? I dunno. Will the violence stop anytime soon? I dunno. Time will tell.
on Feb 01, 2005
But, I'm not really sure that they knew what they were voting for. With 7000 candidates and 256 parties, many, if not most kept secret till just before the elections; I think most people do want democracy, but they want the Americans out even more. I think they were voting for two things: First, for electricity, and secondly, to establish a leadership that will get the invaders out of their country.


Dabe, your respect for the intelligence and motivation for others is underwhelming. What happened at that election was about freedom and standing up to the threats of tyrants and murderers. Just as we (in the US) motivated each other to show that we were not intimidated by the terrorists after the attacks of 9/11, the Iraqi stood their ground against people who would rather kill them than see them free. If you can see all that happened, and only see negative, well that says more about you than anything you could type here
on Feb 01, 2005
"to establish a leadership that will get the invaders out of their country."
That line basically voids the sentiment, imho. "Invaders" is such a dead giveaway.

Without the "invaders" there would have been no elections at all.
Without the "invaders", Hussein would still be shoving dissidents off buildings, starving the unwanted, using amputation, beheadings, and disfigurment as criminal, and political, punishment.
Without the "invaders", Iraq would in the hands of insurgents, instead of sporatic attacks.

Dabe doesn't care that they don't want us to leave now. Dabe doesn't care that they are better off with "invaders". There's political hay to make, and Dabe is going to make it, regardless of the validity of the arguement. The fact is, Dabe couldn't do anything a damned bit better, and had it been left to Dabe, nothing would have been done at all. So, why should Dabe's opinion mean a damn thing?

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