Everyone is guilty of looking for information in all the wrong places from the perspective of their opposition. Is there something wrong with that? Maybe I am supposed to use your sources? As to assumptions, I think you have made quite a few of your own. A difference in opinion is only a difference in opinion so I don’t understand why such personal offense is taken. You seem knowledgeable in military matters but that has little value if you cannot look outside the ‘official story’ too. The military perspective is not the only one there is.

As to GW … what part don’t you believe? Are we not experiencing global warming? Are we not polluting the planet? Are we not releasing greenhouse gasses in abundance to the atmosphere? We are not surprised at GW … are we? Maybe it would be easier in you might enlighten me here? I am also taking the 5th at the moment because I have been reading information from people I admire and trust that seems to disagree with my thoughts, so I am going to have to revisit GW to clear things up … for myself. As to what they are doing for and against are a different matter and needs to be thoroughly investigated.

There is not going to be an American Invasion. Look at what we do to our supposed friends. The USG will not attack anyone who is remotely capable of biting back in a big way. This is the time of proxies and dirty backroom deals of course as usual. Don’t worry about Russia; they will be glad to play in time. And I thought we were talking about Afghanistan…  Nitro, what was the reason we are still there, I forgot in all the jibberjabber.

I see. Do you trust the "US" CNN? They speculate just as much as any "news" organization, and there certainly is speculation in that piece. There are people in South Korea that will do whatever it takes to appease N. Korea for whatever reason. It's not whether you or I disagree or agree with it, there are holes in it (no pun intended). In addition to information before and during the time the details of the sinking was being made public, one only has to ask why fake it when this administrations first act was to defuse the the situation. South Korea had/has no intention of attacking the North.

If the US wanted to attack North Korea, the Pueblo would have been a much better excuse. With the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the war was all ready started (by the French and South Vietnamese). Anyway, Obama just has to say "he's protecting" N. Korean citizens from Kim Jong Il's ruthlessness. It worked for Libya.

Here, I believe you'll get a kick out of this:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/jun2011/cana-j08.shtml

As for the main topic, Afghanistan. I realize many are whining that we are there for place the name of a resource here. I just ask this, if that is the case, why didn't the US just move in when the Soviet Union left? Oil was popular then too (If you'll recall the first Gulf War was, by some accounts, "for the oil", a favorite anti-war cry. I'm still waiting for all this "free" oil that we liberated, the first and second time. Maybe the Chinese, who got the drilling contracts, will give us a price break? I doubt it. 

 

Nitro, The USG doesn't go around blazing her guns anymore while imperializing the world ... except as a last resort. The world is run from fear, intimidation and propaganda. Why do you think our founding fathers wanted civilian leadership as opposed to the military? When I speak about the injustice caused by the USG and their military and covert assets, I am deriding the reasoning that gets us involved in these quagmires. Our military is what it is and overall is about the best in the world and they do outstanding work … but that is part of the problem. They have been brainwashed to military discipline and they believe whatever they are told to be true. But there has been plenty of time and much more forthcoming information is available … people need to revisit their own reasoning.

The truth of the matter is that Bush and company had Iraq in their sights even prior to 9/11 and would have gotten us there one way or another. But had the felonious charges of verified WMD and a nuclear weapons program not been hyped, well they would have found another way. You knew before you asked the question about N. Korea why we cannot just clobber them, but you still brought it up as some argument, go figure. Very little today is what it appears to be. I have easily found enough information on the net to convince myself of this fact. All one has to do is listen to any of our elite masters to see this with our own senses.

As to the article, interesting, but it is from a socialist website and it is discussing a conservative government policy, go figure. If this interested me personally, I would thence have to verify this with other information as I mostly try to do nowadays.

Because we weren’t there remember. Many countries financially and through weapons sails aided the mujahideen. USG was ~600 million per year and was matched by the others collectively. The US had no mentionable role there and of course and with no military presence either... But the defeat of the Soviet invasion and forthcoming collapse of the USSR made the US more haughty and arrogant. We were aiding an enemy under the guise of “The enemy of my enemy is my (temporary) friend”. We were fighting communism as al Qaeda had just been created by OBL. Islamofascism had to be hyped first to properly prepare the sheeple of America with an excuse to wage war and the spread of USG style of freedom and democracy is always a big part of the stated reasons.

I wrotethis blog in 2006 and there is a sense of deja vu when we read this piece. Almost all that I said has come true and USA is fast losing control over large swathes of Afghanistan. The real reason is that right from the word go, the US policy, much against the better judgement of many in the US Congress, was a poisoned chalice. By making Pakistan the key ally in this war, USA has unwittingly sown the seeds of its own defeat as Pakistan at every step has sought to weaken and ubvert US interets in Afghanistan. The only solution now is to carve out a Pashtun state and hand it over to the Taliban and as I have laways said they will be busy killing each other, but the world can forget Afgahanistan. Cynical, but this is the only solution.

I have a brother in Afghanistan, on his second tour.

One eye opening situation he has brought to my attention.

Farmers in Afghanistan would be more then happy to produce fruits and vegetables because they can earn a decent profit from this. The problem. the Taliban / local Warlords force them to grow drug crops under threats.

Ultimately, when a farmer is growing a drug crop, it is at gun point, and they make no profit from it (because the local warlord / Taliban is appropriating said crop). Additionally, local farmers do not have the organization or connections to profit from a drug crop, but there are governmental systems in place to bring food crops to market.

I am curious why local farmers are not protected from such a thing?

The anecdotal story: After some hostile exchanges in the field, they were told to camouflage their vehicles with local fauna on their patrol route. Yep, a 100KM by 100KM crop of Ganja was the local fauna.

You know how smart ass specialized soldiers can be... When they came back to base, they were told to burn their camouflage, but to make sure they were down wind when they did so.

You don't here about things like this in the media.

Man, people are gullible  .

The Taliban are very religious and opium and other drugs are strictly prohibited and dealt with very severely.

JALALABAD, Afghanistan (February 15, 2001 8:19 p.m. EST

U.N. drug control officers said the Taliban religious militia has nearly wiped out opium production in Afghanistan -- once the world's largest producer -- since banning poppy cultivation last summer.

A 12-member team from the U.N. Drug Control Program spent two weeks searching most of the nation's largest opium-producing areas and found so few poppies that they do not expect any opium to come out of Afghanistan this year.
http://opioids.com/afghanistan/index.html

Opium production in Afghanistan has been on the rise since U.S. occupation started in 2001. Based on UNODC data, there has been more opium poppy cultivation in each of the past four growing seasons (2004–2007) than in any one year during Taliban rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan

Noam Chomsky Interview on CBC (Part 1 of 2)    -   Part 2

 

The U.S. government is the biggest dope dealer on the planet and could not let the Taliban wipe out their crops. So they made up a bunch of BS reasons to invade, sold it to the stupid U.S. people with the help of corporate owned MSM and invaded. Every area the coalition has control of now is full of dope fields. From well before the BS war of Vietnam to Iran-Contra to Afghanistan and now that terrorist U.S. government is supplying guns to one of the biggest drug mobs in mexico with "Fast & Furious" to take out the U.S. governments competition.

CIA & Drugs: The Kerry Committee Report and the Media

Drug Dealer Testimony on Money and Banking - Kerry Committee

C.I.A (Cocaine.Import.Agency) ...The Drug Affair 

US Govt. largest illegal drug dealer in world history

Ron Paul on CIA Drug Trafficking

CIA and Drug Running (1997)

Just a couple examples, do some research.

Not to mention that most Americans are also addicted to prescription drugs. 1 in 6 people in the U.S. are labelled psychotic and 30 million Americans suffer from severe migraines (I guess they need their fix).

Mass Psychosis in the US: How Big Pharma Hooked Americans on Drugs

 

 

"Protect the governments crop with your life boys".

Buncha non-sequitor salad there, myfist0.  Do you have ADHD?

Oh yay, more non-topic blabbering. If anyone does not pay attention, guess who I think of  ?

Non sequitur … isn’t that funny … and dismissive … without further ado, hahaha. I guess we just don’t have the confidence these rascals have because we keep trying to present evidence and they just keep telling us … well nothing besides how wrong we are. It is an amazing time we live in but this is “The Way of the Dogmatist” with their idea of the truth bottled up inside them for their inner reflection I suppose. Sure makes for a one sided conversation though, hehehe. My research (no inner reflection here) turned up much the same considering America’s hand in the Afghanistan drug trade … and around the world, go figure.

I amazed how accurate I was in my prediction made so many years back.

Careful... you can break your arm that way.