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Is a general protest against the Iraq brewing
Published on October 17, 2004 By Bahu Virupaksha In Politics
The news from Iraq is getting messier by the day for Bush and his Bushmen. The wanton attack on civillian targets has not got the kind of play in the Weatern media that Darfur is getting. Amnesty International which is the first to critisize non Western governments for violation of human rights is keeping silent, showing that they are just a bunch of rent a cause liberals. U S troops who have largely been disciplined, are now showing every sign that civillian control is breaking down and in some cases refusing to carry out orders. Troops on patrol duty and escort duty are not willing to take orders, and Iraqi troops are not trusted both by the Allawi "government" and their masters. In Talil, a city in southern Iraq nearly a full company refused to go on patrol duty. The Iraqi Resistance is gradually breaking the will of the soldiers to fight and the US is reponding by increasing the level and intensity of air strikes. This strategy is not working, because the Iraqis are just deserting the cities leaving empty streets for the US troops to patrol Fallujah is being bombed everyday and in spite of the civillian caualities the U N is not showing any sign of intervening. While Darfur is a humanitarian concern so is Iraq.
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on Oct 17, 2004
Yes the news from Iraq is getting messier... yet for some reason the concern is not getting higher? As for Amnesty and a lot of liberals. They are fairly select in thier causes. They tend to be very politically charged and not mentally charged. meaning most of them are in it for the publicity and politics then the actual cause and care.

Soldiers refusing is not uncommon. For one they are not motivated about coming into this battle. Two they are not in any direct danger. When a soldier goes into a fight they arn't fighting for country rather for thier survival and thier buddies. Very few of them are thinking about freedom, especially since this isn't even our war. I'm not surprised they are refusing. I would be intrested in why they are refusing? Is it to avoid danger. Are they sending them out into hostile area unprotected.

I just hope this isn't another Vietnam. I mean if we go back again, a lot of those countries will have an even lower respect for the "weak" America. Damn Bush. He stepped across the line for his own benifit and screwed the American Citizens over.

Now we have to lacking Presidents, and a huge identity crises on our hands.

The question is. How do we fix it? I mean it's all good and innocent to criticize, but now that we are in this. How do you suppose we get out of it.

Do we give more power to the Arabians, or do we strengthern our powers, Give our troops better training, defend the city so the Resistance can't get back in. Baracade the city walls until a good government can be set up.

Or do we try and make piece with the resistance? Give them sugar, instead of vinegar?

The UN rightfully is staying out of this mess. By coming in they would only make a bigger mess then it is now. What we need is a strong leader and a good plan. And by strong I don't mean a stubborn dumbass.

VIVA` LE RESISTANCE!

I support a resistance against the U.S...?.... who's these guys in black suits...huh...what that....wait.... *muted screaming*.....

So whats your idea as to how we should fix this?

~capi crimm.

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on Oct 17, 2004
It is apparent that the only way to win the war in Iraq is to bomb the living daylights out of everything. If we kill everyone, there will no longer be an insurgency. Gee, maybe we should just get it over quickly with "nucular" bombardment.

What a sad and sorry situation. It is my understanding that the troops refused to go on patrol is because their equipment is unsafe, and our sorry ass government won't spend the money to upgrade or fix anything. I'm wondering what $1.3 billion dollars has been spent on. Obviously, it wasn't the troops. Me thinks someone, Halliburton maybe, is getting very, very wealthy of this war.

Now, we're in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I'm leaning towards the damned if you don't scenario. In other words, rather than stay in Iraq to hold off a civil war, which seems inevitable anyway, just bring the troops home NOW. Sure, we will have lost, but there is nothing anymore to gain. We've already lost. It's an endless quagmire. Bush lied, and people died. There were no terrorists in Iraq till we so rudely opened the gates for them.

Saddam was built by US interests and money. Then, when we decided that oil must be optained because of this impending peak flow, the US decided that it's time to take him down. When the lies didn't hold up, they said we are engaged in a war because Saddam is such a bad guy. Excuse me. Killing begets killing begets killing. The atrocities committed by Saddam are now starting to pale in comparison to the havoc the US has wrought. Thousands and tthousands of people are dead. More are dying every day. The depleted uranium that the US dropped all over the country will cause death and dispair for years and years to come. The place is a radioactive zone. We did it in East Europe, and now we did it again in Iraq. I'm thinking WAR CRIMES, here, perpetrated by the US. Very scary thought, given that the US thinks it's sime kind of above-the-law international force.

I'm wondering......... Which country shall we invade next? Iran would qualify. North Korea would qualify. Hmmmmm.................... Lots of bad guys out there, it's hard to know when to stop. Kind of addictive, I think.

Thanks, Bahu, for posting this. The more we continue to post about these crimes and atrocities, the more people will know. After all, the mainstream press is NOT doing its job here in good ol' US of A. Not when we have the media owned by single minded neocon interests who daily decide what and what not to air, in the interest of protecting our administration. Pree press? Not anymore, boys and girls. But, I digress..............................
on Oct 17, 2004
I disagree, and these are some pretty strong, harsh, and even pretty far out statements.

Soldiers refusing is not uncommon.


Sorry, I'm military, and I haven't seen any evidence of that.

We did it in East Europe


Ummmm....where? and have you ever dealt with depleted uranium rounds? It doesn't exactly turn the country into a radioactive wasteland, more like about fifty to a hundred yards into a place that's somewhat dangerous to walk through while the wrecked tank is still burning, without a gas mask.

I'm thinking WAR CRIMES


Umm...outside of sexual harassment/mistreatment of prisoners at Abu Graib, (oh yeah, we sent the offenders to jail, forgot.), what have you got?

I'll listen to arguments, but do you have anything in the way of proof? Please no circular logic, (basing an accusation on an accusation posted somewhere else.) Something from an accredited source, even news, other than broadbased accusations with nothing to back them up except other bloggers saying the same things without any proof.
on Oct 17, 2004
It was inevitable that this one incident would be seized upon as "evidence of revolt" but it just doesn't hold up. Hysterics over one incident, about which we know next to nothing as yet, does not constitute proof of anything. I also expected the media to intensify coverage of the "bad news" during this last 3 weeks before the election - they're hunting for every scrap of bad news they can, want to exercise their political influence at the most optimum time and they are blatantly anti-Bush, for the most part. Surprise, surprise.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Oct 17, 2004
*grin*

I find George Bush to be rather "revolting," if you ask me...
on Oct 17, 2004
Suprisingly I agree with many points SPC Nobody-Speical stated and many points chiprj stated. Strange? no. But a suprise to me nontheless.
Anyway. I complety disagree with this blog and anything I probably would've said has been said by the two bloggers above, and probably in a more clear manner.
on Oct 19, 2004
It is just as well that this blog evokes such a response. I think that after the intial euphria of war has passed, the people will realize that the Bushmen took the US into a totally criminal war which is now being used to project Bush as a strong leader, resolute in the face of terrorism.. Tony Blair is now being asked to help with his troops, and this will prove every costly when he face the polls next year.. Further, WAR CRIMES is a issue abouth which we will post on another blog.