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Is a one state solution possible
Published on July 24, 2008 By Bahu Virupaksha In Current Events

The peace in the middle east seems to be extremely difficult because both Israel and Palestine are locked in a state of mutual recrimination: peace with justice means that the existing paradigm for ordering the relations between the two societies has to be reconsidered. The Ashkenazi elite from eastern Europe and Poland that is essentially the ruling aristocracy of Israel has dominated the politics of Israel since 1949 and given its long association with Zionism is unlikely to support the obvious soulution to the problem: A single Palestinian and Israeli state. A decade back even the so called liberals in the State of Israel would have been aghast at this solution but now civil society groups in Israel have begun debating the single state solution. The great Israeli historian, Ilan Pappe the author of The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine has been a long time advocate of this new shift in Israeli perception toward Palestenians.

The central feature of this new solution is the recognition that land for peace has not provided either security to the State of Israel or peace to the Palestinians. It is necessary for those affected by the placement of Israel in the erstwhile land of Palestine to have a chance to lead a life of hope and a normal life as any signatory to the UN Charter of Human Rights will testify. An ethnically pure State of Israel has been of great moment only to the Ashkenazi and the Mizrahim sections of Israeli society with roots in North Africa, Asia and the Ottoman Empire have now willing to consider the possiblity of the joint Israeli-Palestine state. This solution trecogises the historical injustice of evicting the Palestenians from the land and at the same time recognises that a jewish homeland, as promised in the Balfour Declaration is a reality. The fact that 4.5 million Palestenians are living in conditions of extreme deprivation is the real cause for terrorism in the region and if USA is sincere about a viable peace in the region it must address this issue.

For more than 2 decades the official US position as reflected in the Camp David accord and later the Oslo Agreement is the 2 state solution. While Israel is in favor of this policy it does everything to undermine the peace accords by making the living and working conditions of Palestenians in Gaza and the West Bank extremely difficult. These territories are so closely guarded by Israel for fear of suicide attack that both territories have become huge camps where life, to put it mildly, is horrible.

It is time for USA the major backer of Israel to put its weight behind a solution as promised by all American administrations since Richard Nixon.


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on Aug 01, 2008

Nation states are the real problem.


I don't see how.

In the middle east minorities have either their own state or die.

I cannot see how nation states are the problem in that situation.

Unless you mean the one big Arab nation state Nasse was going for when he attacked Israel...
on Aug 03, 2008

Actually, the revisionism is your denial of Arab attempts to exterminate Jews.

We should not allow ourselves to be carried away because what is happening in that region is tragic and of monumental propotions.If you do not believe me let surely you will believe David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of the State of Israel. In a conversation with Nahum Goldmann:

"I do not understand your optimism...Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural. We have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Ourt god is not theirs. We come from Israel. It's true, but two thousand years ago, and what it that to them? There has been anti-Semitism,the Nazis,Hitler, Aushwitz, but was that their fault? They see only one thing. We have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?

These are the words of the great stateman Ben-Gurion as quoted by the American historian,Dr Benny Morris in 1948:The First Arab-Israeli War, Yale Unioversity Press, 2006,pg.393.

I think Ben Gurion made the point I was at pains to belabour.

on Aug 03, 2008
Ben Gurion had the ability to empathise, see a situation from the point of view of someone else. He was also a leader of the group YOU claim committed (and had planned) ethnic cleansing.

I am aware of what Ben Gurion said and I admire the man. My battle is not with the Zionists, but with you.

Ben Gurion did NOT make the point you belabour. He does not claim or confirm that his plan was ethnic cleansing, his words prove the opposite is true; plus he thought that Arab leaders will never make peace because they lost their power because of Israel. (And that is a good thing because the Arab leader, as I demonstrated before, were in league with the Nazis.)

Ben Gurion also accuses the Arabs of not believing in the same god as the Jews. Since the Muslims do believe in the same god (and the story that that god gave the land to the Jews), he was obviously referring to secular Arab nationalists and fundamentalists like al-Husayni. They won't make peace. They lost their land. And they have a different god.

YOU accused Israel of ethnic cleansing, you better find some proof for the accusation.

I stand by my words (and al-Husayni's).

And if you ever fly to Jordan you might even notice that "Mein Kampf" is sold even at the airport. Yes, they despise Hitler, the Arabs do. No love there.
on Aug 03, 2008
"We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered in sand, we shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood" - President of Egypt, Gamal Abdel Nasser

“Those who survive will remain in Palestine. I estimate that none of them will survive.” - Ahmed Shukairy, chairman of PLO in Jordanian Jerusalem

on Aug 03, 2008

Leauki

Why are you wasting your time with Bahu? he has already made it abundantly clear he is a fervent Anti-Semite, and the only solution he wants concerning the Jews, is Hitler's "final solution"

on Aug 03, 2008

Why are you wasting your time with Bahu? he has already made it abundantly clear he is a fervent Anti-Semite, and the only solution he wants concerning the Jews, is Hitler's "final solution"


Other people might be reading this.

But otherwise I agree with you.

Bahu never even addressed the quotes I gave him.

on Aug 03, 2008
Why are you wasting your time with Bahu? he has already made it abundantly clear he is a fervent Anti-Semite, and the only solution he wants concerning the Jews, is Hitler's "final solution"Other people might be reading this.But otherwise I agree with you.Bahu never even addressed the quotes I gave him.


I do not agree. I think he is a misguided liberal and is looking for easy answers to complex questions, but I dont think he is anti-semitic. Just misguided.
on Aug 03, 2008

I do not agree. I think he is a misguided liberal and is looking for easy answers to complex questions, but I dont think he is anti-semitic. Just misguided.


I think there are several types of anti-Semite.

Type 1: plain fascist; an honest anti-Semite

Type 2: acquired; was a liberal, started blaming Israel

Gestational: side-effect of coming up with an unrelated idea

I think Bahu is a "gestational anti-Semite".

on Aug 04, 2008

I mwant to clear up a misconception. I am trying to be fair and I am not anti semetic in fact I have always said the the right of Israel,s existence is not negotiable. I am at the same time interested in seeing whteher there is a solution.n fact mauch of what I have said has been stated by Jimmy Carter in his book Peace not Apartheid. It is irrlelevant to the arugment but of all the people I admire most a fair number of them happen to be Jews.

Dr Guy says I am misguided. I am trying my best to understand a complex issue without taking sides. Only by keeping an open mind can a solution be found and that is in the interest of all.

on Aug 04, 2008

And if you ever fly to Jordan you might even notice that "Mein Kampf" is sold even at the airport. Yes, they despise Hitler, the Arabs do. No love there.

The Arabs may be anti Israel because of the politics of the region. But equating the Arabs with German anti semitism, is I think extremely wrong as German inspitred Holocaust was entirely the responsibility of the Germans and their allies. You are trying to dilute the horrific and unique nature of the Solah by blaming the Arabs. The Arabs are anti Israel as a political entity, but they cannot be made responsible for anti-semitism. Do not make such charges lightly as it undermines the absolute evil of what happened.

on Aug 04, 2008

Dr Guy says I am misguided. I am trying my best to understand a complex issue without taking sides.


That is why you are misguided.

When it comes to attempted genocides, you SHOULD take sides. Or just stay out of it.


The Arabs may be anti Israel because of the politics of the region. But equating the Arabs with German anti semitism, is I think extremely wrong as German inspired Holocaust was entirely the responsibility of the Germans and their allies.


...except their Arab allies, obviously. Or is that not your point?

You have totally ignored the quotes I posted about Arab leaders calling for genocide before Israel even existed.

The fact is that the PLO grew out of a Syrian nationalist movement that WAS an ally of Germany's. If you think that Germany and her allies are to blame, then please do not exclude some of the allies!

Germans today are not anti-Semitic and have NOTHING to do with the genocide committed in their name by other people (who are no longer alive for the most part) 60 years ago.

But the Arabs who still regard Nazi Germany's Arab allies as brilliant leaders and who still scream for genocide, they are certainly not without blame.

The Holocaust wasn't "German" it was genocidal.

And while German television today doesn't call for the slaughter of Jews (or anybody), the same cannot be said about Arab television.

It's time to take sides, Bahu.

Are you FOR or AGAINST Nazi Germany and their allies, INCLUDING their Arab allies?

on Aug 04, 2008
Dr Guy says I am misguided.


Only on this Matter. I do not doubt your intentions. But intentions only go so far. Reality has to take you the rest of the way.
on Aug 05, 2008

But intentions only go so far. Reality has to take you the rest of the way.


What are his intentions if he refuses to acknowledge al-Husayni and the PLO's connection to the Nazis?
on Aug 05, 2008
What are his intentions if he refuses to acknowledge al-Husayni and the PLO's connection to the Nazis?


His intentions are a peaceful solution. The results however (as with so many liberals and their policies) are immaterial. So they ignore that which does not conform to their intentions.
on Aug 05, 2008

His intentions are a peaceful solution.


So were Nasser's.

The problem I have is that their peaceful solutions never include any live Jews.

And I don't see why he could not promote a peaceful solution (of any type) WITHOUT accusing the Jews of ethnic cleansing or refusing to recognise the Arabs' ties to the Nazis.
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