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VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW AND HUMAN RIGHTS
Published on February 12, 2010 By Bahu Virupaksha In Current Events

Each war faught during the course of this century of "extremes" as one prominent historian put is has had its own unique features. The horrendous bloodletting in the trenches during World War I, captured so evocatively by Remarque in All Quiet on the Western Front, the large scale destruction of cities and civillian life and property at Dresseden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not to forget the Japanese atrocities at Shanghai and Nanking, the Nazi genocide planned and executed by the state, are all unique features of twentieth century history.  The Black Book of Communism published recently by Harvard University Press has documented in some detail the civillian cost of ideologically inspired mass killing. So we are not being overly sensitive to the fact that the War on Terror unleashed by President Bush and carried out with great alacrity by President Obama seems to carry on the glorious traditions of the last century.

Warfare is ugly and more so when the enemy real or imagined is unseen and undetected. In all the rules of warfare in place until now the civillians could not be the direct target. Even when the US atom bombed Japan it was done on the pretext that the Japanese war machinery utilised the industries located in and around the two cities and the fire bombing of Dressden was sold to an unsuspecting public as an attack on the war machine of the Germans. All international conventions to which USA and its NATO allies are party to prohibit the intentional targetting of civillians.

In Afghanistan and in Pakistan the USA has been using unmanned drones carrying leathal bombs to target al-qaeda and taliban leaders. No one will be concerned if the drones kill their purported targets. Often the targets are chosen on the basis of rumours and gossip, malicious rumours that are spread by tribal rivalries and are picked up by US plants and relayed to the CIA headquarters and the order to strike given. In this process a large number of innocent men and women and children are being killed everyday and the drone attacks have become the single most important factor in fuelling anti US propaganda.

In each drone attack at least 20 to 30 people are being killed and in certain instances not a single militant was on the spot. It appears that the US is relying on motivated information in order to launch drone attacks. Apart from the sheer scale of the drone attacks and tney are becoming more and more frequent by the week, the widespread use of drone raises questions about US commitment to the conventions it has signed. I am not calling for a moratorium on the use of drones, as I do realise that such attacks are useful and to an extent necessary. I am simply saying that proper and judicious care must be taken to whet what is touted as "actionable intelligence".


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on Feb 12, 2010

In all the rules of warfare in place until now the civillians could not be the direct target.

That is a bald faced lie that you even document in your narrative.  It is a lie on 2 fronts.  First that it has not been done "until now".  It is not being done now.  Second, that it has not been done, as you clearly allude to with your statements about Nazis (and the japanesse rape of nanking).

It would possibly help your cause (but I doubt it as the premise is critically flawed) to at least acknowlege what you are writing instead of stating a fact and then denying it.

The drones do not "target civilians".  But like you opened your blog with, they are unfortunate victims in any war, this one being no different.  Ultimately the responsibility for civilian deaths has to go to the agressor, as if they had not started the war, the civilians would not be in the line of fire.  And in this case, the agressors are Al Qaeda and the Taliban.  The WTC did not fall on their own.

Just because the aiming of weapons has become better does not mean civilians are only killed when targeted.  When you drop a bomg, shoot a gun, or target a missle, there is no guarantee that only combatants are going to be in the blast zone.  Smart bombs does not mean they can tell the difference between a soldier and a civilian, only that they can hit where they are aimed.  And bad intelligence will mean some are aimed where there are civilians, because when all is said and done, field intelligence still lags behind the destructiveness of modern warfare.

Nice PR piece of Al Qaeda, but basically just lies and fiction.

on Feb 12, 2010

As an American I would whole heartedly be against attacking an enemy with bombs with civilians around them. I would also have to argue that I would hate to believe that my Gov't would do such a thing, especially the current Administration who slammed the previous Administration for starting the wars in the first place and supposely killing innocent civilians in the process.

However, I can't deny that many of those who lead and run this country are human and tend to think they know what is best and are sometimes willing to ignore our values and do such stupid things as kill civilians bases on rumors.

on Feb 12, 2010

Obama...that war criminal!!!!

on Feb 12, 2010

So we are not being overly sensitive to the fact that the War on Terror unleashed by President Bush and carried out with great alacrity by President Obama seems to carry on the glorious traditions of the last century.
I have to disagree with that as well. Everything possible is being done by the US military to prevent civilian casualties in Afghanistan and it had been also done in Iraq. But then the conflicts you mentioned weren't asymetrical as the war against terror but very conventional with different armies fighting against each other. And the war against terrorism was not unleashed by President Bush, if I remeber correctly the US was the country that had been attacked first.

In WW2 you couldn't just wage war on the regime and not the people, but unlike the Germans, the US and British didn't attack cities with the outset goal to kill as many civilians as possible. Even though, the US was sort of po'ed that Berlin wouldn't burn as well because adjoined appartment houses in a street would always have 2 walls to protect against the spread of fire. If one house was hit with a firebomb and started to burn the fire wouldn't spread and create a firestorm.

on Feb 12, 2010

In WW2 you couldn't just wage war on the regime and not the people, but unlike the Germans, the US and British didn't attack cities with the outset goal to kill as many civilians as possible.

As an American, I wish that were universally true.  However the war was not all that noble in respect to the allies either.  The worst bombing in Germany was not on a strictly military target, but on a propaganda target.  As the russian armies advanced, Britian and American wanted to show them that they had best listen to the Western Allies about who was going to conqueor what.  As the refugees streamed west in advance of the Russian Army, Britian and America firebombed Dresden.  The city was filled mostly with refugees, and not much in the way of a military arsenal.  Over 100,000 people died in that raid.  By far worse than the cities of hiroshima or Nagasaki individually.

The purpose was to show the Russians who was boss, not to damage the German war machine.  As I indicated above, targeting civilians is not something new, but it has been minimized by the western nations since WWII.  not initiated or increased by them.

on Feb 12, 2010

The circumstances 70 years ago were different than from today. The war was about conquering land and the people in it or respectively fighting off an invader. Hitler wanted to conquer an empire, and so did Japan.

Dreseden is of course a tragedy - it happened 13th-15th February 1945.. But as you pointed out and many have argued before, it is difficult to isolate the bombing from its context of the war and the general atmosphere. It isn't very enlightening to judge Dresden just by the number of people that had died.  Also, almost every bigger city had been razed to the ground (except Berlin which wouldn't burn - the us military rebuilt several streets somewhere in the US to find out how best to destroy the city, or so an urban legend goes here). About 10% of the bombs didn't explode, and a recent estimate for Hamburg said that there are still about 15 000 unexploded ordenance in the ground. They are looking for them with the help of aerial pictures provided by the US airforce and royal airforce. Those bombs are still a real threat.

I think that the main difference between the last world war and the war on terror in regards to civilians is that civilians back then were accepted but unintended casualties of war whereas today in the war against terror civilians are the intended targetes of the terrorists but it is impossible for the allies to fight back with the same means. The situation today seems to be alot more complex and difficult.

Germany has a drama that falls right into that category as a matter of fact. You would probably think that it is ridiculous that such a thing would even create so much public and political debate because the US is used to fight in wars where people die.

In September a german colonel ordered an airstrike which killed over 130 civilians in Kundus, Afghanistan. The Taleban had hijacked 2 fueltrucks meant for the ISAF troops and were in the process of syphoning off the fuel, and many locals were also there to get some. Colonel Klein asked the US AF for an airstrike, and now he is severely under critique because so many civilians died. He didn't want the Taleban to have the fuel because they would only have done bad things with it. We are not used to the fact that our soldiers kill at all, we only want to build schools and help the people.. sort of naive. Now for the first  time the administration calls Afghanistan a armed conflict aka war.. very hot potatoe here. LINK to the story

 

on Feb 12, 2010

As an American, I just wanna know where Bahu's getting his info. For example:

"In each drone attack at least 20 to 30 people are being killed and in certain instances not a single militant was on the spot."---Bahu

"In this process a large number of innocent men and women and children are being killed everyday and the drone attacks..."---Bahu

And you know these casualty numbers and circumstances how, exactly? Name your source, please.

The lure of drones is exactly that they DON'T necessarily kill large numbers of people; that they can be targeted directly, to kill a specific person or persons, with less "collateral damage".

And here, I thought Obama was gonna bring a halt to all this slaughter of innocent Islamic nutbags.

How's that Hope 'n' Change thing goin' fer ya, Bahu?

on Feb 12, 2010

Playing whack a mole with these rediculous drones is taking forever.  The Afghan war is going on 10 years now with the Taliban unbroken and Al Qaeda still festering. We should probably go back in time and do what we've done in the past to actually WIN wars.

on Feb 12, 2010

Hi Nitro-

Obama...that war criminal!!!!

Well, I can honestly say that for the first time I agree one hundred percent with one of your posts!

on Feb 13, 2010

Obama...that war criminal!!!!
Dreseden is of course a tragedy - it happened 13th-15th February 1945.. But as you pointed out and many have argued before, it is difficult to isolate the bombing from its context of the war and the general atmosphere. It isn't very enlightening to judge Dresden just by the number of people that had died.
The lure of drones is exactly that they DON'T necessarily kill large numbers of people; that they can be targeted directly, to kill a specific person or persons, with less "collateral damage
However, I can't deny that many of those who lead and run this country are human and tend to think they know what is best and are sometimes willing to ignore our values and do such stupid things as kill civilians bases on rumors
Nice PR piece of Al Qaeda, but basically just lies and fiction

I am really surprised that a mild and a very sedate critique of the use of drones has led to such comments. The journalists including Western ones have spoken of civilian casualities in drone attacks. In fact I have stated quite clearly that drone attacks are essential,I have only asked for mlore oversight from both the political and military leadership. Now AmericaN AND nato INTELLIGENCE relies on informants and I feel that the informants have their own personal and in some instances tribal agend in place.

I do not think that Prisidnt Obama is a War Criminal at all. So do not attibute opinions to me that I have not stated. I really feel that Obama has the right intentions but he needs to have more oversight on the use of drones and the choice of targfets.

Unmanned programmed air stikes seem to be by their very nature a new kind of warfare.

Dressden and other such acts took palce in the context of declared wars. US uses drone attacks on Pakistani targets. Agreed that Pakistan is a failed state and the government is only one in name and form, but even then use of drone on targets in Pakistan seem to go against the International Law.

on Feb 13, 2010

Two points here:

Unmanned programmed air stikes seem to be by their very nature a new kind of warfare.
--Bahu

Well, yes and no; missle attacks, obviously unmanned, on distant targets have been going on for many years.

Just ask Quadaffi; Reagan bitch-slapped him by punching a destroyer-launched cruise missle through his palace at the height of his bad behavior. Subsequently, he disappeared for about 20 years, only coming back around after 9/11, offering to help us out, because he was worried that we'd be coming after him.

Much of Gulf War One was fought in this satellite-guided manner.

but even then use of drone on targets in Pakistan seem to go against the International Law.
---Bahu

Who gives a fig about international law? There is no international law.

And well, okay...one more thing:

You claim that these drone attacks are killing 20-30 innocent civilians EVERY DAY. Every day? Really?

So, every single time these things are used, they kill 20-30 other innocent people? I'm pretty sure you made that up, like so much else of what you write.

After all, every time some poor guy gets caught in a crossfire, and suffers a minor flesh wound inflicted by a bullet fired by one of those barbaric American troops, it's everywhere in the Press, and we're supposed to flagellate ourselves and wail and gnash our teeth in agonized grief.

But 20-30 people killed EVERY DAY?

Well, I can see how you believe this; you're also one of those who believes millions of people were killed in the opening days of the Iraq War.......

 At least you're consistent in your disregard of, and hatred for, America.

on Feb 13, 2010

At least you're consistent in your disregard of, and hatred for, America
I had said that in the context of each drone attack. Not every day as you put. I am afraid that USA has to abide by International Law even if the US can get away with a great deal because of its status as the sole "hyper power".

Wring on that. The War on Afghanistan and its home grown opium satiated wahabi terrorista is spot on and  Iraq was not needed. In fact US would have been better off without the entanglem,ent in Iraq. My point is that the drone attacks may prove counterproductive and hence my concern.

on Feb 13, 2010

Unmanned programmed air strikes seem to be by their very nature a new kind of warfare.

I do not believe that you have a clue what your talking about. There are not "Terminator" like robots flying around Afghanistan, while a human might not be in the cockpit, they are on the proverbial trigger.

I know how you hate to muddy the waters with facts, but you might take a moment and read this article that Wired published the other month.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_end_air_war/

 

 

on Feb 13, 2010

Thanks for the article, that was a interesting read.

Anthony R
Playing whack a mole with these rediculous drones is taking forever.  The Afghan war is going on 10 years now with the Taliban unbroken and Al Qaeda still festering. We should probably go back in time and do what we've done in the past to actually WIN wars.
Hah, like that would work. The US doesn't actually fight against Afghanistan because that part was over when war was declared on the Taleban regime and won. ISAF and the US troops are there with the explicit permission of the afghani government (for what that's worth) and most of what the troops do would be done by the police in any other western country. Fighting terrorists and destroying or arresting them for further questioning, securing villages, gathering information about planned attacks, training policemen etc. is usually not the domain of the military  - as a matter of fact, using the military for domestic police work is expressly forbidden in the US.

on Feb 13, 2010

 

"I had said that in the context of each drone attack. Not every day as you put."---Bahu (reply #12)

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"In this process a large number of innocent men and women and children are being killed everyday and the drone attacks have become the single most important factor in fuelling anti US propaganda."---Bahu (orignial post)

 "In each drone attack at least 20 to 30 people are being killed..."---Bahu (original post)

 

Yeah, sorry...don't know how I ever came up with that.

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