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Why Terrorism doesnot have a religion
Published on July 24, 2011 By Bahu Virupaksha In Current Events

Norway has always regarded it self as the conscience of the civilized world. The self appointed custodian of "western values" was always quick to defend every terrorist group in the world the latest being the LTTE, the terrorist group which was responsible for killing more than 50,000 civilians. Norway was one of the prominent EU countries which followed a split policy on terrorism: condemn the state if it tries to defend the territorial integrity of the country, but always defend sundry terrorist and anarchist groups in the name of human rights. Norway had no qualms about signing up for the War on Terror crafted by the US under the leadership of Bush and Blair. Always following an aggressive policy of promoting Western geo -strategic interests, Norway maintained the "high moral" ground by adopting a hectoring tone when it came to countries like Sri Lanka which faced one of the worst terrorist groups in the world with cynide capsules and human bombs.

The Western media always labels political acts of violence anywhere in the world with a religious tag. Thus we have the well known category of Islamic terrorism. Given this fact can we call the massacre of 94 young people on the island of Uteoya  by Anders Behring Breivik as an act of Christian terrorism just as the world seems to recognize the existence of Islamic terrorism. There is an eerie similarity in the planning and execution of the plot with Timothy McVeigh's Oklahoma Federal Building bombing nearly a decade back. McVeigh too was inspired by fundamentalist Christian values and he too used ammonium nitrate as the explosive charge for  the bomb.

The suggestion that there is a Christian terrorism is just as wrong as the assertion that there is Islamic terrorism. The Moslem countries have certain grievances which must be addressed and they are all of a political nature, By giving a religious complexion to protest and its attendent violence the Western world is basically evading its own responsibility is generating the grievances that lead to violence. Norway with its ruling labour Party has followed a policy of giving shelter to groups that will be labeled terrorist by any definition.

The man who killed 94 young people and blew up the Prime Minister's office in downtown Oslo was a home grown terrorist and I am sure that Norway will be more circumspect while condemning other state for protecting the territorial integrity of the state.

 



 


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on Jul 28, 2011

myfist0

Quoting Leauki, reply 19You are not supporting your position very well by proposing absolutely ludicrous statements. The media are and have been full of articles explaining why terrorism is not Islam and why the terrorists are just "desperate" and "poor" and how Islam means "peace" (It doesn't) and is super-friendly and regards women highly and so on.

To claim that you feel that our society allows Islam to be "tarred and featered" is to admit that you don't read newspapers and never watch the news. It doesn't help your position at all.

Trying to change history again I see. Lets see some links to these MSM stories of "super-friendly and regards women highly and so on".

I am not to sure what was meant by "tarred and feathered" but I guess killing hundreds of thousands of civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya and Palestine does not fit into that description for you. Almost every day on the news is filled with "civilians killed" stories by drones and bombs and nobody does bat an eye. Almost a hundred civilians in Norway and the MSM freaks out.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/  102,008 – 111,498 CIVILIANS

http://cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm

March 2002

When U.S. warplanes strafed [with AC-130 gunships] the farming village of Chowkar-Karez, 25 miles north of Kandahar on October 22-23rd,killing at least 93 civilians, a Pentagon official said, "the people there are dead because we wanted them dead." The reason? They sympathized with the Taliban1. When asked about the Chowkar incident, Rumsfeld replied,"I cannot deal with that particular village."2

93 civilians in 1 raid and not one bit of outrage by anyone, the story did not make the top news every day. Was that pilot a quack or a nut or a wack job? No way, they are heroes. LMFAO

 

First, I'm not sure what the number of civilian deaths in wars have to do with what I was talking about. But I guess you just like bringing that subject up, obviously hoping that people keep falling for the old trick of referring to victims as "civilians". Personally, I don't care if a victim is a civilian or not. I care if the victim was an aggressive combatant or a defending combatant or a non-combatant.

The worst category are aggressive combatant dressing up as civilians.

Note that many many "civilian" deaths in war zones are really combatants illegally dressed as civilians.

But none of that has anything to do with how the media report about Islam.

Incidentally, "hundreds of thousands" implies at least TWO hundred thousand. I doubt that that many died at western hands in all of those war zones (What is "Palestine"? Do you mean Israel? Do you also call Jordan "Palestine" since it was created out of the same British territory named thus?). There is also a perfectly easy way to avoid deaths: stop attacking Israel or the US. It's amazing that that has never occured to those people. But then I guess if one's ideology dictates that all Jews must die and all American be punished, it's not a choice easily picked.

As for how the media describe Islam and the situation of women in Islam, let's see. I just typed "cnn islam" into Bing and the first hit was this:

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/fyi/news/09/28/Islam.explainer/

This is how the articles describes Islam:

It is not as if a religion can hate, Haddad says from her office in Washington.

Grouping all Muslims together into one category and labeling them terrorists is just wrong, she adds.

The tenets of the religion require its followers to lead virtuous lives that embody humility, generosity and courage.

"There is a great deal about justice in the Koran," says Haddad.

In order to live an honorable life, Muslims' greatest calling is the jihad, or struggle, to constantly veer away from evil and continue "the daily struggle to maintain a righteous life," Haddad says.

I'll leave it to you to find out what the media say about Islam and women.

But the fact that you confuse killing enemies with "tarring and feathering" a religion tell me that you are a very confused individual who most likely won't understand my point here anyway.

 

 

 

on Jul 28, 2011

lulapilgrim
The ancient Hebraic Israelite empire ended

We had an empire?

Define "empire".

on Jul 28, 2011

Nitro Cruiser
Of course it's a payday if the coalition can be held accountable for civilian deaths.

When Al-Qaeda kills tens of thousands of Iraqis, the US is to blame. That's easy.

 

on Jul 28, 2011

I have seen the media in Canada show that all Islam are not terrorists and I have also seen that the KKK does not represent all Christians and not all Jews are Zionists. Sounds reasonable to me.

"Not all Jews are Zionists"? Because Zionism is comparable to terrorism or the KKK?

I see a difference.

Christians are only evil when they behave like the KKK. Muslims are only evil when they are terrorists. But Jews are evil already if they merely believe that the Jewish people has the same rights as other peoples.

Being Jewish always adds one evil point to what one does.

An Arab nationalist is only evil when he is a terrorist, if at all.

But a Jewish nationalist is already evil because he is Jewish. Isn't that true?

 

on Jul 28, 2011

lulapilgrim
Your comment and Nitro's response made me think of another point. That of war what is reported as far as the casualities depends on who is President. When a Republican is president then the war stories, the numbers killed, etc. abound as do the protestors but we seldom hear a report when a liberal is commander in chief.

True.

When Al-Qaeda kills Iraqis and a Republican is president of the US, the numbers are much higher and the US is much more responsible for Al-Qaeda's murders than one would think at first.

 

on Jul 28, 2011

Bahu Virupaksha
I have not referred to the Crusades at all. I am referring to the people who are getting killed by NATO/US bombs everyday. If killing Iraqis in large numbers as the US has done and now the Libyans will it not provoke a backlash. You cannot escape from the burden of history try as you maight.

Al-Qaeda has killed A LOT more Iraqis than the US, but oddly enough the backlash is still against America.

Well, that's not even true. The Iraqis did ultimately team up with the US and removed Al-Qaeada from Iraq.

However, if you check out the site our friend referred to about the Iraqi war victims and read the cases they counted, you will find the results a bit odd. Click on "latest incidents".

I picked the latest dozen or so. Let's see what those deaths actually are and whether they are really Iraqis killed by the US as you and our friend above are claiming:

on Jul 28, 2011

Man and son burnt to death in car at bombed petrol station, Karbala

I guess it's possible that the US bombed a petrol station. Two for you.

One shot dead at army checkpoint in al-Islah al-Zraie, west Mosul

 I guess it's possible that the US shot someone at a checkpoint. Two for you.

Body of man found in al-Rafaaie, west of Mosul

Did US soldiers murder someone near Mosul?

Seven by car bomb in Tuz

 

 Do the US use car bombs? Why?

2-4 Awakening Council members by car bomb in Abu Ghraib

 

 I don't know how much you know about Iraq, Bahu (I know that my other friend above knows nothing). The "Awakening Council" are the tribal leaders allied with the US. Do you think the US killed four of their allies?

1-2 police by bomb attached to car, near Al-Mazraa, south Beiji

 

 Another US car bomb?

Kurdish singer shot dead in Dahuk

 

 There are no Americans stationed anywhere near Dahuk (it's at the Turkish border).

Security officer and 2 guards by roadside bomb in Mandaly

 

 The US do not make it a habit to shoot security officers and guards, who are allied with the US.

One in clashes between army and gunmen, al-Hadba, north Mosul

 

 Could have been US forces. One more.

Shabak man shot dead in Bartilla, east of Mosul

 

 The Shabak are Kurds. If he was shot dead near Mosul that would strike me as being part of the Arab-Kurdish conflict around Mosul.

Worker by bomb in concrete factory in al-Karama

 

 The US sent a bomb to a concrete factory? Why?

2-3 members of Kakai'ya tribe shot dead in Asra, Kirkuk

 Kirkuk is another Kurdish-Arab hotspot. Do we believe that the US went there to shoot a few tribals?

Three by bomb attached to motorcycle in Baquba

American motorcycle bombs?

University student, son of local mayor, shot dead in Mussayab

Could be an American plan to shoot students, I guess.

All joking aside, it seems to me that the deaths reported by Iraqi Body Count are most often the results of terrorist activity, not American activity.

But perhaps the site doesn't report victims of US aggression? (Or perhaps there is no US aggression? Who knows?)

 

on Jul 28, 2011

And I will also say that the Norwegian example will become more contageous.

It's likely that it will.

For years we have learned that terrorism works and that terrorists are "freedom fighters".

I would have preferred some disproportionate violence against the guy, i.e. shoot him before he hit his first victim. Saves time.

 

on Jul 28, 2011

Enough about the Frickin' Crusades, already.  Deal with present reality, Bahu, instead of rehashing bullshit justifications & excuses for barbarism.  Which will never go away, BTW - history is history.  I, for one, prefer the 21st century to the 12th.

AMEN!  It is apparent that bahu uses the crusades to justify every atrocity by non-Christians today.  Maybe he is bucking to replace Osama as he is doing a better job at justification.

But why stop at 1000 years ago.  Should we not use the roman atrocities as justification for killing Italians?  How about Genghis Khan's to justify killing Mongols and Chinese?  Attila's for Killing all Slavic people!  Shazaam!  We just use history to make Bahu the next Hitler/Pol Pot/Stalin/Mao!  He can justify killing anyone!

on Jul 28, 2011

Bahu posts"

Bahu Virupaksha
As I have said revealed religions do have a tendency to believe that god is on their side and are therefore expansionist. Salvation and Empire perhaps are two sides of the same coin.

Lula posts:

lulapilgrim
Salvation and empire may be two sides of the same coin for those who practice Islam but they aren't for those practicing Christianity.

In Almighty God's salvation plan, we see salvation in convenantal terms which reveal a consistent pattern of how God deals with people of every age and the empires they build.

Before the end of the world, many empires will end. The Babylonian world ended. So did the world of Pharoahs. The ancient Hebraic Israelite empire ended as did the Second Temple Jews. The Roman Empire ended as did the Byzantine. All these great empires ended as will those in our present world come to an end.

Empires come and go however, salvation is all about Christ and His commands and He taught His everlasting Kingdom is not of this world.   

Leauki posts:

Leauki

Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 23 The ancient Hebraic Israelite empire ended

We had an empire?

Define "empire".

In the context of my argument I used the word "empire" here because Bahu used it.

Between you and me, instead of "empire" it should be "nation".

 

 

 

on Jul 28, 2011

myfist0
I do not believe it was motivated by religion at all. ...........

From what the 1,500-page manifesto says, Breivik appears to have been motivated more by an extreme loathing of European multiculturalism that has accompanied rapid immigration from the developing world, and of the European Union's growing powers, than by Christianity.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/25/understanding-christian-fundamentalist-label-for-norway-terror-suspect/

 

Anders Breivik is/was a Freemason who belonged to a militant anti-Jihadist lodge founded in London in 2002.  The Masons themselves have admitted it.  Click the link below and keep reading:

 

http://masonictimes.blogspot.com/2011/07/anders-behring-breivik-freemason-that.html

 

 

 

 

on Jul 28, 2011

Bahu Virupaksha
Christianity, like Islam has had a long history of violence and percecution in the name of religion.

Bahu Virupaksha
The entire philosophy behind the Holocaust was rooted in Christianity. The anti semitism which was sanctioned by both Roman Catholic faith and Lutherern church (Martin Luther was a notorious anti semite) was the outcome of the alleged hand of the Jews in killing the Saviour.

Bahu,

Regarding your fictions, let's reason from facts in evidence. 

2,000 + years ago, Christ came and established the one true Christian Faith and founded what has been known as the Catholic Church since 107AD. Anti-Semitism is not rooted in Christianity and never was nor ever will be sanctioned by the Catholic Faith. (And I don't know for sure but I think not by Lutheranism either.)  "Anti-Semitism" is a word created in 1870 by a German, Wilelm Marr referring to hatred of Jews becasue of certain ineradicable biological characteristics.  After Hitler, "anti-Semitism" got a different meaning. Today any criticism or anything derogatory of Isreal or of Jews is labeled as anti-Semitic.

No, no, no the entire philosophy behind the Holocaust was NOT rooted in Christianity. The entire philosophy behind the Holocaust was rooted in Evolution Theory. Do you know that in his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler makes it crystal clear that Darwin's theory of Natural Selection was the basis for his belief in Arian superiority and a justification for what would be his mass murder of 6 million Jews as well as mass murder of 6 million others (which I'll get back to later)? 

He wrote, "If nature does not wish that weaker individuals should mate with the stronger, whe wishes even less that a superior race should intermingle with an inferior one; becasue in such cases all her efforts, throughout hundreds of thousands of years, to establish an evolutionary higher stage of being, may thus be rendered futile.

But such a preservation goes hand-in-hand with the exorable law that it is the strongest and the best who must triumpth and that they have the right to endure.He who would live must fight. He who does not wish to fight in this world, where permanent struggle is the law of life, has not the right to exist."

Hitler used Evolution as the philosophical basis for his racism. Hitler believed in Darwin's "survival of the fittest". If we evolved from survival of the fittest, then getting rid of the unfit is desirable. If humans evolved up from some ape-like creature, then some people have advanced higher on the evolutionary ladder than others. Some classes of people should be inherently superior to others.

This is the twisted logic Hitler used to try to establish his super, Aryan race, and to justify killing 6 million Jews. Godless evolution ideology providing the rationale for racism.

The Holocaust--the Shoah was evil. The Holocaust came into existence through the perverse mentality of Adolf Hitler whose Nazi claim assumed racial superiority. There is no religious foundation whatsoever. 

By the time it was over, an estimated 12 million innocent people were murdered. Of the 11 million, 6 million were Polish ... of these,  3 million were Polish Jews and 3 million were Polish Catholics. 

 

So, please learn something from this. Do the research and stop repeating the lie. 

  

 

on Jul 28, 2011

myfist0
Nitro Cruiser, I asked for links to your assertions that the media makes about Muslims

I made no assertions about Muslims. I included links to back what I had to say, since some need sources, less comments be dismissed.

myfist0
Wow, do you actually read what you type? I guess you're not horrifying them enough yet.

Not even close. The compassion showed to enemy civilians is unprecedented in history. Sorry your sensibilities can't grasp that. What I find horrifying is that some find obvious targeting errors as somehow diminishing honorable actions laughable. Perhaps it wouldn't be as lmao funny if a suspected killer of a family member or loved one was the intended target. Maybe I just don't get Canadian humor. Sorry if that's it.

on Jul 28, 2011

2,000 + years ago, Christ came and established the one true Christian Faith and founded what has been known as the Catholic Church since 107AD. Anti-Semitism is not rooted in Christianity and never was nor ever will be sanctioned by the Catholic Faith. (And I don't know for sure but I think not by Lutheranism either.) "Anti-Semitism" is a word created in 1870 by a German, Wilelm Marr referring to hatred of Jews becasue of certain ineradicable biological characteristics. After Hitler, "anti-Semitism" got a different meaning. Today any criticism or anything derogatory of Isreal or of Jews is labeled as anti-Semitic.

You have only to read the History of Christianity to know how wrong you are. As far as the True Church is concerned I am willing to accept that as a matter of faith. I believe in Christ as a Saviour but I am not a Christian. I worship Him as the Son Of God, but I am neither a Catholic nor a Protestan. So I admit what you say as a matter of faith and will not argure about how true or how nottrue He was. It is possible to beleive in Christ the Saviour without any belief in the totalitarian institution called th Church.

But we are getting ahead of the argument. As far as the perception of most of the world goes, the fact is that Islam is seen as a terrorist tinged faith. I contset this by saying that all revealed religions have had their tryst with extreme violece because God and History is seen as acting through ther Prophet.

on Jul 28, 2011

Another point. A phenomenon can exist before it is ever named. Bacteia was discvovered only in the 19th century and it is no one's case that it did not exist earlier. As for anti smitism there is a deadly embrace of christian fundamental doctrines and the guilt that theJewish people were charged withas being responsible for the desth of Christ.

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