Just found this ......................and bottom line says it all...

There was a war going on between the Allies and Axis powers. During the wartime period there is abundant documentation that the Pope headed up the Church's extensive efforts to help victims, refugees and specifically to Jews. There is example after example, of Jews being helped or hidden not just by those priests, brothers, nuns and laymen in monasteries, convents, or seminaries throughout Europe, but by the Pope personally.

I thought you read Rabbi Dalin's book. In Rome, the Pope made at least 180 places of refuge available for Jews. He also "ordered that the assets of the Vatican be used as to  ransom Jews from the Nazis," said Rabbi Dalin. "To save these poor people, Pius XII ordered that religious vessels should be melted in order to raise a hundred pounds of gold, which were then given to the chief rabbi of Rome for that purpose."

Further, in 1944, the Pope "Organized a pontifical commission to assist the refugees, supplyong over 2 billion meals" said Dalin. "He also organized an underground network to help Jews escape from the occupied countries."

In the 2004 Remnant, M.L. Chapman wrote:

The evidence shows that Pope Pius XII did perhaps more than any one person or leader of a major institution could do to help rescue so many Jews, which records show nearly 1 million.

The Allies had the bombs, the soldiers, and aircraft. They knew the location of the death camps and the railroad lines and the roads that led to them. But they did nothing..they refused to take in the Jewish refugees...Churchhill and FDR turned them back. 

The Pope took them in.

Churchill and FDR took Stalin in instead and "Uncle Joe", the Red Hitler, got Eastern Europe. The slaughter continued. Millions were marched into the gulag. Russia spread its errors throughout the world. 100 million dead. No holocaust museum for them. 

In terms of moral, intellectual, and spiritual leadership, Pope Pius XII towers above his secular contemporaries. He is a hero, and his story should be taught in every school. ..But most great Catholics are not honored and by the rulers and shapers of this world.

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It's clear that this smearing, the attacks and animus against Pope Pius XII is really an animus against the Catholic Church. It's because he represents the great legacy of Tradition and clear moral authority and teaching of the Church which these modernist forces desperately want to discredit.

I read the book. But my point remains.

The Vatican was still extremely wealthy after the war.

Had the Pope done what he could, the Vatican would have been broke.

He obviously did not do what he could.

Not a judgement, just an opinion. I do not seek his condemnation or any penalty.  I do not pretend to be omniscience, or omnipresence.  Whether he did enough by God is for God to decide, not me.  As the facts lay, that is my opinion.

Rabbi Dalin and hundreds of thousands of others disagree with your conclusion.

The abundant, incontestable documentary evidence proves beyond doubt that Pope Pius XII labored without pause for peace, assisted the Allies, was not silent, opposed Nazi racial atrocities, and that the Church fed, sheltered, and clothed victims of war, especially Jews.

I know of no world leader who did more to resist the Nazis, rescue Jews and warn the world of the horrors of Nazism and Communism than this great man. 

And I am famous for caving in before authority, so you assume that the above is an argument?

I am sure he did labour without pause for peace, just as Neville Chamberlain did.

The problem was, a world leader was needed who would labour for war, the earlier the better. The Pope failed on that account too.

I know Churchill and Roosevelt.

Roosevelt called on Americans to fight the Nazis. Did the Pope call on Catholics to fight the Nazis? Where were the Catholics when South-America let North-America do all the fighting and when the Irish prime minister tried to stop the British from conscripting Irish soldiers?

Yes, of course. That's been my argument. On many public occasions, the Pope and the bishops fought against Hitler and Mussolini. Two powerful encyclicals, one, against Fascism, Non Abiamo Bisogno and the other, Mit Brennender Sorge was in defense of the Jews in Germany, saying in part, "We shall continue without failing, to stand before the rulers of your people, as defenders of violated rights, and in obedience to our conscience and our pastoral mission, whether we be successful or not, to oppose the policy which seeks by any secret means to strangle rights..."     

"To fight" isn't only in the physical sense. All Catholics, men women and children were always/are always called to fight evil in countless ways...with their time, talent, money, prayers, and so forth.

Leauki

Lula

I've made my argument which is summed up above.

"Abundant, incontestable documentary evidence ..." reveals your conclusion, that since the Vatican wasn't broke, he (Pius XII) obviously did not do what he could, is a mistake in thinking.

Leauki, What  you are famous for is having a tendency to engage in exaggerated quibbling  and hair-splitting, but I love ya anyway.

You have not countered my argument. If the Pope had done what he could, the Vatican would have been broke. It's not a conclusion. It's proof.

Oskar Schindler, perhaps exaggerated in the movie, cried that he could have saved more if he had sold more of his wealth to buy slave labour (and save the slaves). The Pope had all the wealth imaginable yet he didn't think it wise to spend it on saving people from the Nazis.

I suppose that Jews outside of the war zone were all broke after the war as well. What a frakin joke.

Get back on topic.

Valid point. Touche.

Personally, I feel the majority of the world gives the Popes political clout too much credit, especially in the 20th century going forward. How easy would it have been to hobble an entity situated smack in the middle of an Axis country, if Hitler and Mussolini didn't fear a backlash? All that wealth at a very minimum could have been frozen, or worse, confiscated. The Vatican guards are not an army. Since none of us were there, it's hard to see it through the prism of the time. Has todays Pope been able to stop the genocide in Africa? Would the world embrace him using the Vatican treasure to buy weapons on their behalf (as holy water just won't do it)? I doubt it.

Christianity is not so much a demographic as it is an idea.  Key word here is idea.  That idea is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ who was certainly not a violent terrorist but taught us to turn the other cheek.  Obviously this man did not share that idea and it is safe to say that his actions are very unchristian.

Did ANY of those Jews claim to be G-d's representative on earth?

I expect more from a representative of G-d than from a mere human being. I would be happy to acknowledge the Pope as a hero if he acknowledged that he is a man like everybody else and had no special powers invested in him by anyone.

How is it a valid point?

I was addressing the issue of the Pope's actions specifically because he claims to be more than a mere human being. While I appreciate the idea of the Pope being compared to a random Jew in this situation, it is not how the Catholic Church sees things.

Simple equation is: if someone claims to be more than others, he also has to do more than others. And someone who claims to be G-d's representative and who claims inerrability on religious questions the Pope should have the faith really to do what he can to do the right thing.

Jews are fallible, all of them. But the Pope claims infallibility. He should be infallible or admit that he is a man like everybody else.

Christianity is Almighty God's idea, a divine religion whose essence is to settle the natural and supernatural relations that binds man to God.