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The social consequences of violence
Published on December 8, 2004 By Bahu Virupaksha In Politics
In his book Generation Kill: Devil Dogs, Iceman, Captain America and the New Face of American War, Evan Wright speaks of the horrors that he winesses duing the camapign to "liberate " Bagdad. Every generation has to bear witness to the holocaust visited upon peoples and societies so that the world will remember what they saw and bear witness to their everlasting creator the sufferings they have seen. This war has not yet found a Bob Dylan or a Wilfred Owen, but an embedded journalist has borne witness and let us listen to him:

In the past sis weeks I have been on hand while this comparatively small unit of marines has killed quite a few people> I personally saw 3 civillians shot, one of them fatally with a bullet in the eye. These were the tip of the iceberg. The marines killed dozens, if not hundreds in combat through direct fire and through repeated, at times almost indiscriminate, artillery strikes. And no one will probably ever know how many died from the approxiamately 30,000 pounds of bombs First Recon ordered dropped from the aircraft.

These are words of a witness to the war: an Embedded journalist, from whose book I have taken the above passage.

The marines and other soldiers who kill Iraqis when they stry too close to the Green Zone or spry machine gun fire into a bus full of children, cannot be normal human beings after they return to civillian file. Such wanton killing will have its consequences on the social fabric of US life. Norman Mailer in hiis The Naked and the Dead spoke of a different war. He has not seen what is going on in Iraq today.. When the artllery shells fall on soft human bodies it sends out a splatter of burning flesh whose rancid smell can be addictive.

In fact, the recent announcement that the tour of duty of enlisted men will be extended has already led to mild muted protest. As days go by these voices will become more strident.

Comments
on Dec 08, 2004
I disagree with war's premise: killing people isn't something we should be doing as a country, and I like your article and agree with you, but what about you personally? Do you think the war is being fought for all the right reasons (I don't) or do you oppose the war because it's war?
on Dec 08, 2004
I guess it goes without say, war is hell and should only be undertaken as an absolute last resort. This freakin war wasn't. It was a pipe dream (hehehe ..... pipe, as in oil) of a few lunatic world leaders, in this case Americans, who duped the country into thinking we needed this. It was not a last resort. It was a folly. Now, as you so poignantly pointed out, we are seeing the consequences of their folly. Most of the Iraqis being killed, by the thousands I might add, were just unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe the more unlucky ones are those who survive with their horrific injuries. Americans are coming home forever changed by the ordeal. Think about how many emotionally disturbed VietNam vets are still around today, some homeless, who are in need of constant care for both emotional as well as physical injuries. This was a dumb and criminal folly.

Now, we're doing it again. I can't believe we're doing it again. Wasn't Viet Nam enough? Why for cryin' out loud do some people never learn? Hey, and notice those who have not learned are the ones who never went to Viet Nam. Either MIA, or too busy, or whatever. Those idiots have never served in a war zone. So, making the decision to go to war was tantamount to playing a video game for them. Bastards. They will be held accountable. History will not treat them kindly.

Thanks Bahu. I am one who believes that we cannot ever stop being vocal about this. Some people here are tiring of the argument. Tough shit on them, I say. But, until this war is over, I will never, ever stop voicing my dissent. I can see that you, too, are keeping the issue alive. Thank you.
on Dec 08, 2004

Reply #2 By: dabe - 12/8/2004 8:12:30 AM
I guess it goes without say, war is hell and should only be undertaken as an absolute last resort. This freakin war wasn't. It was a pipe dream (hehehe ..... pipe, as in oil) of a few lunatic world leaders, in this case Americans, who duped the country into thinking we needed this. It was not a last resort. It was a folly. Now, as you so poignantly pointed out, we are seeing the consequences of their folly. Most of the Iraqis being killed, by the thousands I might add, were just unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe the more unlucky ones are those who survive with their horrific injuries. Americans are coming home forever changed by the ordeal. Think about how many emotionally disturbed VietNam vets are still around today, some homeless, who are in need of constant care for both emotional as well as physical injuries. This was a dumb and criminal folly.

Now, we're doing it again. I can't believe we're doing it again. Wasn't Viet Nam enough? Why for cryin' out loud do some people never learn? Hey, and notice those who have not learned are the ones who never went to Viet Nam. Either MIA, or too busy, or whatever. Those idiots have never served in a war zone. So, making the decision to go to war was tantamount to playing a video game for them. Bastards. They will be held accountable. History will not treat them kindly.

Thanks Bahu. I am one who believes that we cannot ever stop being vocal about this. Some people here are tiring of the argument. Tough shit on them, I say. But, until this war is over, I will never, ever stop voicing my dissent. I can see that you, too, are keeping the issue alive. Thank you.


For once Dabe your right. We *are* getting tired of this argument. For the most part we would like both the argument and it's proponents to drop off the face of the earth. They will *not* be held accoutable. At least not in our lifetime. Look Mr. (wrong war, wrong place, wrong time) John effing Kerry supporter, get off the administrations back! Have *you* ever served in the military? No? Then clam up. Do you honestly think *anything* that you or I will or can say is going to make one damn bit of difference? Get a clue clueless, ain't happening! And while your at it.....take Bahu with you when you leave.
on Dec 08, 2004
I will never get off the administration's back until they are no longer the administration.
on Dec 08, 2004

Reply #4 By: dabe - 12/8/2004 6:50:32 PM
I will never get off the administration's back until they are no longer the administration


Well, I hate to be the one to break this to you (actually no I don't hate it). That *AIN'T going to happen till 2008. So please give it a rest. We really don't need to listen to this till then, do we?
on Dec 08, 2004
you think the war is being fought for all the right reasons (I don't) or do you oppose the war because it's war?


Thanks Bahu. I am one who believes that we cannot ever stop being vocal about this. Some people here are tiring of the argument. Tough shit on them


Now that there is a war in which civillians are getting killed in large numbers, I believe that wallowing in collective guilt will not help. The people and institutions that failed have to be held responsible and yes, accountable. I believe that the process of making Tony Blair, the Prime Minister of Her "Majesty's Govt" in the U K has begun. Whether it will be succesful, is anybody's guess. In the USA people have begun to see the war in a different light. Even soldiers.. Yesterday I saw on CNN, the US Secretary of Defence being grilled by the soldiers. His discomfiture was all too obvious. He did not give a single straight reply: to the question of "stop loss" he just gave some highly technical answer that a junior official in the pentagon could have given.
on Dec 09, 2004
Well, I hate to be the one to break this to you (actually no I don't hate it). That *AIN'T going to happen till 2008. So please give it a rest. We really don't need to listen to this till then, do we?


Yup, you do.
on Dec 09, 2004
I believe that wallowing in collective guilt will not help


It's not a question of wallowing in collective guilt. It's about raising conciousness of the illegality of this war, of the horrific toll it's taking on the Iraqi people, and our American economy. We were vocal about Viet Nam. We marched, demonstrated, we were vocal. And, we were right. The same thing is happening again. A war is killing thousands of innocent people and dividing this country, just like Viet Nam did in the 60's. It's not about guilt. It's about changing the hearts and minds of 1/2 of America to get off this murderous path, stop stooping to the level of the extremist Islamists, as you only become them. Rise above it, fight it and them by securing America rather than trashing other countries. Trashing other countries only serves to unite their efforts, and wastes money on a failed effort. Think of what those billions of dollars could have accomplished had it been spent on securing our nation, instead. We could have secured our ports, our airlines, our water supplies, and cities, etc. But, instead, we are in a foreign nation that had nothing to do with 9/11 and we're trashing it into the stone age. What a sorry waste of resources.

(Actually, I say all this as if 9/11 was the real reason. I don't believe it was. I believe it was the excuse, the catalyst to gain access to Iraq's oil fields, which if you remember, was supposed to pay for the war. Well, it's not. So, what happened? Americans are being fleeced by this administration big time.)

It's not about collective guilt. But, I think you know that. Thanks for the article.
on Dec 09, 2004

Reply #8 By: dabe - 12/9/2004 7:32:04 AM
I believe that wallowing in collective guilt will not help


It's not a question of wallowing in collective guilt. It's about raising conciousness of the illegality of this war, of the horrific toll it's taking on the Iraqi people, and our American economy. We were vocal about Viet Nam. We marched, demonstrated, we were vocal. And, we were right.


You may have been right, but what you did back then changed nothing. Just like it will change nothing in the present day and age. Most people care even less now than we did back then!
on Dec 09, 2004
It's not a question of wallowing in collective guilt. It's about raising conciousness of the illegality of this war, of the horrific toll it's taking on the Iraqi people, and our American economy. We were vocal about Viet Nam. We marc


Most people care even less now than we did back then!


Only an attempt at finding the truth will help. USA went to war on patently false grounds, and is not mired in a war it can neither win nor is there an escape hatch from which to crawl out. Our real concern are the civillians and innocent young men of the Us forces who are dying needlessly.

I think people care: and the anti war movement will be more intense once the count increases.
on Dec 09, 2004
Most people care even less now than we did back then!


And, there you have it, folks. The one and only drmiler. A less caring soul you cannot find.
on Dec 10, 2004

Reply #11 By: dabe - 12/9/2004 11:57:17 PM
Most people care even less now than we did back then!


And, there you have it, folks. The one and only drmiler. A less caring soul you cannot find


You know something your a jerk! This is the last time I'll tell you. Lay off the personal attacks! Next time I'll open fire back. I'm trying very hard to remain civil, but your making the effort very diffficult.
on Dec 10, 2004
According to Interpol, the total of number of civilians killed in the world this past six months as a direct result of war, and/or political terror is simply staggering. The numbers in Iraq are providing but a small fraction of the total. I won't reproduce the numbers, I suggest you do a search, and extend the pity that war is to these poor, unfortunate souls as well. Are not all human beings, as our concern, equally entitled to our collective sympathy? Lest we shamelessly use the killing & maiming in Iraq just to advance a particular political agenda. No?
on Dec 10, 2004
Well, I hate to be the one to break this to you (actually no I don't hate it). That *AIN'T going to happen till 2008. So please give it a rest. We really don't need to listen to this till then, do we?


The problem is that we will still be talking about this in 2008. This administration had unrealistic expectations about how easy this would be. They thought that we'd come in and everyone would throw flowers at their liberators. They did not plan for sufficient troops to guard against looting and vandalism and so this country was left to the dogs while we still were not able to control the country.

Will Republicans be able to get any positive response about the war in Iraq in 2008 when it is still going on?
on Dec 11, 2004
You know something your a jerk!


Yeah, I know. When I want to be.................