THE POPE WITH A NAZI PAST

WILL THE USA ENFORCE ITS OWN LAW AGAINST THE POPE

Published on April 24, 2005 By Bahu Virupaksha In Politics

Cardinal Josef Ratzinger has been selected the Pope of the Roman Catholic denomination by his fellow cardinals. Being an arch conservative, he is probably the best man to succeed the late pope, John Paul II. The great American historian, David Goldhagen in his book the Moral Reckoning refers to this particular pope in one of his chapters. Even the meticulous research by this Princeton trained historian did not lead to the discovery of the singgular fact that Ratzinger spent his entire youth as a card holding member ogf the Nazi youth wing. After his capture by the Americans in 1945 he resurfaced as a catholic priest. The point that David Goldhaen makes in the book cited above is that the higher establishment of the Catholic Church collaboreted with the Nazis during World War II. Not only that the banks and other financial establishments of the Roman Catholic church gained considerably by illegally acquiring the savings and other assets of the Jews who were being sent to the gas chambers by the Germans. In an earlier work, Goldhagen had shown that the guilt for the Holocaust rests with all Germans and not just with the SS and the members of the Nazi Party. Now that the truth of Pope Benedict XVI association with the Nazis has surfaced, it is time that the Roman Catholic Church is called to account for its criminal misdeeds right from the time of the Inquisition till the Holocaust. Violence, Greed and Crime have marched hand in hand with the padres of the Roman faith.

This brings me to another point. Soon after the defeat of Germany the US congress passed a Law banning the entry of Nazis into the territory of the USA. USA has surrendered nazis to Israeel even after they had acquired US citizenship, on the ground that a Nazi past made then ineligible to step foot on the soil of the USA. I am not veru sure whether this is the best way to de toxify a Nazi past, but the Law stands on the statute book. Will the Secretary of State dr Condoleeza Rice invoke this law to deny entry to Cardinal Ratninger in his new avatatra as a Catholic Pope. Afterall, Mark Tatcher was denied entry for a far lesser crime.

Comments (Page 2)

Bahu Virupaksha

on Apr 25, 2005

was in the Boy Scouts when I was twelve.That makes me a flag waving, Bible thumping, homophobe.

You cannot compare the Scouts with Hitler Youth though there in an element od male bonding in it. As for my choice I think you are not any of the three. Just misguided.

Bahu Virupaksha

on Apr 25, 2005

has got to be one of the most lie filled posts that I have read on JU. I'm sorry Bahu but I think you've sunk to a new low.Bonus Rating: Trolling Insightful

I cannot help it if you let your ignorance get the better of you. It has been a major area of historical research.David Gildhagen has written two outstanding books and the American Historical Association rated these to be path breaking works. Read and then enter the debate. 1 Hitler's Willing Excecutioners, New York Harper and Row 2000 2. Moral Reckoning New York 2003

bakerstreet

on Apr 25, 2005

YOU are behaving ignorantly, since YOU are the one lumping people together and showing hateful bias. Hateful reading material obviously can make you hateful if you read enough of it.

It is COMMON knowledge that the vast majority of Hitler Youth went on to become leaders in a new Germany and some LEGALLY migrated to the US. It's COMMON knowledge that not everyone that served in the Wehrmacht was a Jew-killing war criminal. You are wrong that membership in Hitler Youth wasn't pressed upon children. There's no law against such people coming to the US.

I have personally met one man that was a drafted member of the Wehrmacht living happily in America since the 50's. My German teacher in college talked about her brother who was FORCED to become a Hitler Youth member, and who their family fled to the Mediterranean and later America to prevent from being drafted. Do you really think if every Hitler Youth and soldier in the Wehrmacht was a war criminal that there would have been enough people left in Germany?

bakerstreet

on Apr 25, 2005

You seem to have a blind spot for fascists. You mourn the loss of your little Iraqi Hitler. You can see the supposed "innocence" of the Iraqi people in Saddam Hussein's evils, but evidently every German that was drafted was a little Goebbels. What about all those people who shoved others off buildings, cut off hands and heads, carried and fired the poison gas to murder Kurds?

Should every Iraqi soldier be barred from the US? Every child that was taught pro-Saddam lies? What about all the little programmed Maddressa robots that know how to say "Death to America, Death to Israel" before they can dress themselves? Looks a lot like Hilter-brand hate to me.

Do you have a problem with all the Arab leaders who were best buddies with the Grand Mufti and the rest of the Jew hating killers that fought for Hitler in WW2? Do you remember that Arafat called him a hero of the Palestinians? I think you are very hatefully biased, personally.

After a while people's biases add up in their writing and you just can't hide bigotry. You don't spend much time on the people who are RIGHT NOW beheading folks, RIGHT NOW blowing people to bits to get headlines, the people who RIGHT NOW hate and threaten Jews.

No, more often, you just mirror their propaganda and ignore what they do.

Manopeace

on Apr 25, 2005

Before making outrageous accusations base on LIES... DO SOME RESEARCH!

Link

drmiler

on Apr 25, 2005

ALL GERMANS ARE NAZIS!

Pure stupidity! Does this include those of germanic disent?

drmiler

on Apr 25, 2005

This statement isd just wrong. Membership was optional and by choice alone.

Actually NO it was NOT optional! I personally did not have to do this, but my family traces it's germanic roots back to the time of Kaiser Wilhelm! So I can state from fact that you do not know what your talking about on this subject.

Dr Guy

on Apr 25, 2005

You are a day late and a dollar short. It has already been fully discussed what Joseph Ratzinger did.

And you are just an asshole.

Manopeace

on Apr 25, 2005

And you are just an asshole.

I couldn't have said that better Doc...

Bahu Virupaksha

on Apr 25, 2005

Should every Iraqi soldier be barred from the US? Every child that was taught pro-Saddam lies? What about all the little programmed Maddressa robots that know how to say "Death to America, Death to Israel" before they can dress themselves? Looks a lot like Hilter-brand hate to me.

I do not sdee any difference between what you say and what the Madrassa trained robots sayb because they both stem from ignorance and double standardas. Greman gult is collective and ask any Israeli settled any where in the world and you will find out truthfully that Gremany did notg implement the Holocaust as a program of the SS and the Nazi Patrty alone. Germnas both ordinary and elite were willing accomplices in the Genocide and by whitewashing such atrocities and making a moral equivalence between the dumb stupid brutality of Saddam and the Americans you are distorting the Truth of the Genocide in Europe, a unique event in recent history. Two wrongs o not make a right. The question is of Ratzinger whether he was a member of the Gitler Youth which went around burning synaogoges descecrating granes and the like. It is shameful that people like you should defend such atrocities by holding up the like of Ratzinger. He was a member of the Hitler Youth and tyhen became a soldier and was capyured by the Americans In Washington D C in the National Archieves there is a confidential Dossier on the POWS captured in 19944-45 and the Ratzinger atrrest is documented. His is not a case of war crimes, but of willing association with the Nazi Regime.

Reiki-House

on Apr 26, 2005

One thing that merits strong mention is the usual ignored fact that contrary to common belief, the US did in fact allow card-carrying nazis safe entry into the US. It needs to be said that the Nazi's were all brilliant scientists, most notable Wernher von Braun and his German rocket colleagues. But anyways the Vatican and the Nazi party had ties that go beyond God's human representative's interpretations. The Vatican had a pipeline for the Nazi's to reach safe haven. And it was done in very clever ways. There is no need to explain how Nazi Germany gave the Vatican a billion reichmarks per annum under the religious tax. What did Hitler get in return? The world was in a depression but Germany sent a billion dollars a year (1930's value equal to billions today) to Rome. They must have gotten something. Possibly secret alliances within the Vatican as a back door exit, which of course became the Nazi pipeline they had created. Possible condonement of Germany's invasion of Godless Russia, where the Church was persecuted. The Vatican was strangely silent concerning Hitler's manoevers in Europe. Yes this Pope was a Hitler Youth. It's not clear how deep his feelings went in supporting Hitler, but he also served with an anti-aircraft detatchment, and if so, it's likely he fired on Allied airships. But that's not bad in itself. There's nothing wrong with serving your country when asked even if it was Hitler who did the asking. But it will come out soon enough as to what the Pope did in his past. One thing I think is a bad sign is how he was saying he was praying not to become Pope. It's clear he was the leading contender going into the Conclave and he would have had ample time to let the others he had no desire to be the next Pope. Surely if he was praying not to be Pope, he would have made that sentiment clear (based on his being in the forefront of the likely candidates. Basically, I think the Pope lied when he said that. And it's what? Like day 5 or something?

Eastern Diamondback

on Apr 26, 2005

David Gildhagen has written two outstanding books and the American Historical Association rated these to be path breaking works

I believe you mean Daniel Goldhagen. Goldhagen's book Hitler's Willing Executioners is a book with numerous flaws, exaggerations, and erroneous assertions. His thesis is that rabid, virulent, murderous anti-semitism is an inherent (thus presumably permanent) feature of German identity. But throughout his book, he doesn't support his allegation over the German people, only specific targets. That Jews were systematically murdered is not in question. It happened. It also matters not whether it was 1 million, 6 million, or 60 million. However, Goldhagen makes a serious charge and ultimately fails to back it up.

Greman gult is collective and ask any Israeli settled any where in the world and you will find out truthfully that Gremany did notg implement the Holocaust as a program of the SS and the Nazi Patrty alone. Germnas both ordinary and elite were willing accomplices in the Genocide and by whitewashing such atrocities and making a moral equivalence between the dumb stupid brutality of Saddam and the Americans you are distorting the Truth of the Genocide in Europe, a unique event in recent history.

I may have read the book over 6 years ago, but that sounds like it almost came directly from Goldhagen's book. There are certain quotes that stand out in my mind, and the whitewashing one is tripping my sensors. There's plenty of critiques available if you care to look for them.

Bahu Virupaksha

on Apr 26, 2005

from Goldhagen's book. There are certain quotes that stand out in my mind, and the whitewashing one is tripping my sensors. There's plenty of critiques

O all the post for my piece I likedyour piece because it comes from an informed perspective. I respect your right to read the Goldhagen books differently, but I feel that the research that he has done is stupendous. I do understand that issues of Identity are involved and people feel threatened by his empasis on the Guilt part. In fact the AHA meeting I attended several years back there was a panel discussion on the Willing Excecutioners and one statistically inclined critic just counted the number of individuals mentionmed by Goldhagen and concluded that it represents onli .005 percent of the population. The point is not a statisstical but moral.

Eastern Diamondback

on Apr 26, 2005

Bahu, thank you for the compliment. I disagree with your opinions, but A.) I can understand where you're coming from and B.) I can respect your opinions.

Man, I can't believe I said that

Bahu Virupaksha

on Apr 26, 2005

I've asked the same question 3 times, have been ignored 3 times.

See post 17 I have quoted and answered.

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