Are you competing with RH on who can make the wackiest post?

Are you competing with RH on who can make the wackiest post?

And here I thought they were working on the stupidest post!

Ah yes, yet another disgusting attempt to somehow rationalize and justify the actions of terrorists killing innocent people.

This is the part that I always laugh at.

The Moslem youth in England has been feeling extremely alienated since the invasion of Iraq.

These leftist do whatever it takes to somehow blame everything on Iraq. They don't understand if the war in Iraq never happened, they still would have been targeted. It's not Iraq, it's islamic fanatics and their passive moderates.

yes, yet another disgusting attempt to somehow rationalize and justify the actions of terrorists killing innocent people.Bonus Rating: Trolling Insightful

These leftist do whatever it takes to somehow blame everything on Iraq. They don't understand if the war in Iraq never happened, they still would

I am surprised how short lived memory of recent events is. There was a time not that long ago when the same USA and UK hailed Islamic fundamentalism as a great liberating force when the Mujahadeen were trained and finaned by the CIA to fight the Soviets in Afghznistan. Now since they have parted company the very forces unleached by the USA has come back to haunt it. This is not justificatio:only reiteration of a fact. As long as the Baathist regime was in place there was stability in the region. Do I need to remind you that even the 9/11 Commission did not find any evidence of Saddam being involed in the Twin Tower attack or in training terrorists. It is the genocidal war in Iraq that thas led to a situation where the ordinary Iraqi is turning into a vengeful avenger. Without the Bush_Blair duo's involvement in Iraq the London attack cannot have happened. Now the Blair regime is doing its best to shore up its sagging image, but the minorities are not biting the bait.

I am surprised how short lived memory of recent events is. There was a time not that long ago when the same USA and UK hailed Islamic fundamentalism as a great liberating force when the Mujahadeen were trained and finaned by the CIA to fight the Soviets in Afghznistan.

I guess I need to remind you that "back then" they were not targeting innocent women and children either.

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The attack on women and children have been part of the war strategy of all the parties in conflict. In the attak on Fallujah ten of children perished and all one can say "bad luck. cllateral damage". The point is when some of us get killed it is said collateral damage when they get killed it is terrorism. We have to go beyond this simplistic binary division between civilised and terrorist to get to the root of the angst that drives people to such acts as7/7.

guess I need to remind you that "back then" they were not targeting innocent women and children either.Bonus Rating: Trolling Insightful The attack on women and children have been part of the war strategy of all the parties in conflict. In the attak on Fallujah ten of children perished and all one can say "bad luck. cllateral damage". The point is when some of us get killed it is said collateral damage when they get killed it is terrorism. We have to go beyond this simplistic binary division between civilised and terrorist to get to the root of the angst that drives people to such acts as7/7.

I give up! Your no better than the col. You make a flat statement and I respond to "that" statement. And how do you respond? By making yet another totally unrelated statement. In case you forgot....we were talking about the islamic extremeists during the soviet conflict.

"The war in Iraq and the large scale killing that is going on there, is making the youth emphasise the Islamic part of their identity."

This is false and misleading. I think it is more the fact that a) there are virtually no British born Imans meaning extremists from abroad have a monopoly on shaping the Muslim youth and the British government has consistently welcomed radicals and refused to deport radicals in the name of 'freedom of speech'. A Sky News poll today showed that 91% of the UK Muslims asked thought the bombings were un-Islamic, 2% thought they were a positive thing. Many disagree with Iraq but it won't make them become suicide bombers, and the external terrorists are driven by a hatred of human life and freedom not individual events like Iraq.

" It is time for the British people to wind up their surrogate war in Iraq and come home."

This would just encourage more attacks, Blair would be saying that terrorism works if we were to withdraw troops. Besides, we need to stick with Iraq and deliver the democracy Iraqis voted for and not let the foreign insurgents set up another Islamic theocracy.

" In the attak on Fallujah ten of children perished and all one can say "bad luck. cllateral damage". "

The British army has never put bombs on public transport with the sole aim of destroying life. Innocents die in war but is highly naive to suggest to kill innocents is the intention of Western armies. If you are asserting this I find it highly offensive and you should withdraw any such statement.

The war in Iraq and the large scale killing that is going on there, is making the youth emphasise the Islamic part of their identity."This is false and misleading. I think it is more the fact that a) there are virtually no British born Imans meaning extremists from abroad have a monopoly on shaping the Muslim youth and the British government has consistently welcomed radicals and refused to deport radicals in the name of 'freedom of speech'. A Sky News poll today showed that 91% of the UK Muslims asked thought the bombings were un-Islamic, 2% thought they were a positive thing. Many disagree with Iraq but it won't make them become suicide bombers, and the external terrorists are driven by a hatred of human life and freedom not individual events like Iraq. " It is time for the British people to wind up their surrogate war in Iraq and come home."This would just encourage more attacks, Blair would be saying that terrorism works if we were to withdraw troops. Besides, we need to stick with Iraq and deliver the democracy Iraqis voted for and not let the foreign insurgents set up another Islamic theocracy." In the attak on Fallujah ten of children perished and all one can say "bad luck. cllateral damage". "The British army has never put bombs on public transport with the sole aim of destroying life. Innocents die in war but is highly naive to suggest to kill innocents is the intention of Western armies. If you are asserting this I find it highly offensive and you should withdraw any such statement.

This is the standard Bush Blair line on th war. The fact is that all the 4 men involved in the 7/7 attak were British citizens. It is true that Britain has had a history of tolerating dissent, a trend that goes back to the Levellers and the Methodists of the 17th and 18th centuries. But of late civil liberties have been ereoded. For instance the killing of the Brazillian Charles Menneses in Stockwell station portends a new approach to policing. The fact thaty this victim looked dark and therefore profiled as a Muslim and hence shot with deadly force will not result in making the Muslim minority feel safe in England,. In any case what is Blair and his men doing in Iraq? What British interests are involved in Iraq? Who auhtorised the Bush)_Blair duo to intervene in Iraq? All these seatrching quetions are posing a problem to the Muslim youth. What about the killings in Fallujah and Karabala. Are we to forget that and say as that Blair does"These evil people are killing their own in Iraq". This killing will stop the moment the AngloSaxon troops leave and their collaborators brought to justice. If Saddam can be tried for war crime why not Tony Blair?

This killing will stop the moment the AngloSaxon troops leave and their collaborators brought to justice.

That alone speaks volumes to your character and at what level you desire to see other people live free.

And to think you are the one calling Conservatives Nazis, when you're wanting those working for freedom, better life and stable country to raise their children in, to be murdered. Only to let fascist murdering religious thugs squash the same freedoms you enjoy yourself. I can picture the day when you find yourself bowing down to have you head cut off for just being an infadel, still not knowing why.

The fact thaty this victim looked dark and therefore profiled as a Muslim and hence shot with deadly force will not result in making the Muslim minority feel safe in England,. In any case what is Blair and his men doing in Iraq?

1) You are refusing to provide all of the facts BV...they DID NOT shot him because of his race, but because he acted suspiciously and refused to halt when the plain clothed officers ordered him to and they provided ID...

2) Go home Bahu...

Who auhtorised the Bush)_Blair duo to intervene in Iraq?

The U.N. The Cease-fire agreement Iraq signed.

The fact thaty this victim looked dark and therefore profiled as a Muslim and hence shot with deadly force will not result in making the Muslim minority feel safe in England,.

He was shot because he ran from the police, refused to stop, and was acting suspiciosly. Maybe the muslim population should stop running, hiding, and complaing, and start dealing with their own.

How can you expect someone to stop when a group of men dressed in plain clothes runs after an individual and orders him/her to stop. The fact is that the London Police are responsible for the death of Charles Menenses and they reacted with deadly force only becazuse of racial profiling. This only goes to show that racial profiling as a tactic is just useless not to say immoral.

How can you expect someone to stop when a group of men dressed in plain clothes runs after an individual and orders him/her to stop. The fact is that the London Police are responsible for the death of Charles Menenses and they reacted with deadly force only because of racial profiling. This only goes to show that racial profiling as a tactic is just useless not to say immoral.

More leftist bs. They told him to STOP and ID'd themselves as police! That is NOT racial profiling! Your right they ARE responsible for his death but only partly! HE is also partly responsible for his own death. I don't know about you but when someone pulls a firearm on me and tells me to stop. I'm damn sure going to stop! One thing I have learned over the course of time is this....You can NOT outrun a bullet! If he had stopped like he was told, there is not much doubt he'd still be alive. You are also not addressing 2 very important points. 1. He was spotted coming from a "known" terrorist abode. 2. He was wearing an unseasonally heavy and bulky coat.