As we see Hizbullah won the war .

What did Israil do ?

Kill + crazy Game with US + UN power only !!

They can kill only but they can not effect our mind.

Thank you Bahu Virupaksha

Faisal

I agree that Israel needs to learn new tactics to fight this type of war.  But I think they can, and they learned a lot from this campaign.  And I agree tha Israel lost.  But they needn't have.  They lost when they agreed to the UN Cease fire.

They will not have peace until Hezbollah is gone from Lebanon.  Quite simply because Hezbollah will not allow them peace.

They will not have peace until Hezbollah is gone from Lebanon. Quite simply because Hezbollah will not allow them peace.

They will not allow them peace because according to the koran....Allah will "not" return to this world until Israel is gone. Just how long do you think Hezbollah will keep to the cease fire resolution? And just an FYI Israel lost because they wouldn't bring their fire power to bear on civilian population. Israel has enough weapons to lay waste to Hezbollah's shitty little corner of the world.

And Bahu, use your brain. Hezbollah exposed NO myth. The IDF could have laid waste to it all, but choose not to.

I love the fact that Bahu speaks about Hezbollah as if they somehow managed to stop an army with fire power similar to that of the US. The fact that Israel restrained itself from completely leveling the entire country only proves that they also tried it the US way but that tactic just doesn't work. Hezbollah and the Lebanese people were plain lucky. Israel and the US were plain stupid for holding back. Wars were not ment to entertain the locals and go around like police looking for criminals, it's ment to kill, destroy and to knock some sence into those who are being attacked. But Iraq and Lebanon is proof of what you get when you have some of the worlds most destructive and powerful weapons but hoping to only kill that one guy between all the "good" ones.

Until the REASONS why the people of this region support groups like Hezbollah, al Qaeda etc end, these groups will NOT go away. The Moslem people consider these groups the only way to get the West and Israel out of their lives. The Islamic people do not consider these groups as terrorists. That is a reality the United States and Israel MUST accept to see if there is a way to STOP the fighting that has been taking place since 1948 in that region.

I do not know if Israel or Hezbollah won but I do know who lost-- Lebanon!

If it were only a matter of "getting the US and Israel out of their lives" we could fix that very easily. You know perfectly well that that would not suffice. There is no amount of appeasement which would slake their thirst for infidel blood. To pretend otherwise is to be a fool.

Israel should have just gone ahead and wiped them off the face of the planet then the little weenies that serve as the terrorist cheering section could go cry in their beds for a while.

By the way Boohu, being as a ceasfire was declared, there was no winner. I thought any idiot would know that. Guess I was wrong.

My... what a collection of racist vituperation I've stumbled on here. For the information of bigots on both sides of the question no one won. Certainly not Israel, now held up to the whole of the Muslim Umma as an utter laughing-stock. The 'restraint' of the IDF demonstrates nothing other than the lack of any kind of will to win on the part of Olmert and his cronies (you can be sure that Sharon, when that vile racist is finally laid in the ground, will start spinning like a top in disgust at the current performance of his beloved military); as well as its utter inability to deal with a guerilla war.

They're already screaming back in Haifa and Tel Aviv at the numbers of dead Israeli soldiers - how if, instead of a hundred dead Israelis there were a thousand? Or ten thousand? Because it's only by being willing to incur far greater casualty levels than those yet seen that the IDF will clear Hezbollah from the ground of Southern Lebanon - something that the much vaunted courage of the IDF is presently not able to stomach.

I was watching Fox News earlier. A resident of Beirut drew up to the apartment block he'd recently fled from with his family: this was the first they'd seen of their former home. Who was held rsponsible for the fact that their home was now a heap of rubble? Hezbollah? The corrupt incompetents of Lebanon's political classes?

No. Israel. "All our blood for Hezbollah" the man's teenage son said. "All our blood for Hezbollah."

Olmert is to be congratulated for running such an effective recruitment campaign on Hezbollah's behalf.

Olmert, there's a man who ought to be pleased with his most recent political successes. The incompetence of the IDF revealed; the political cowardice and military ineptitude of his party revealed; an entire new generation of resistance fighters recruited; 150 Israeli civilians dead as a direct consequence of his decision to exploit the kidnappings as a cause for war; over a thousand Lebanese dead, killed by Israelis while even Americans got to watch (even Americans have had a hard time not noticing the immense superiority of arms available to the Israelis - as well as how little avail that superiority has been). And one more spectacular success: Hezbollah still has the two fools they captured back at the beginning of this - and Israel will be forced to negotiate for their return with the only bargaining chip they have - the Lebanese prisoners they hold illegally. Yes indeedly, Olmert, you've certainly testified as to your fitness to receive the mantle of Sharon, Irael's Defender.

Oh, and speaking of Sharon, that bloated pig and orchestrator of murder by proxy, he seems, finally, about to die and go before his God for judgment. I can already see the devils in hell sharpening the pitchforks, ready to tenderize his flabby ass for eternity - oh my! horror of horrors, Israel's 'warrior' dead!!! What an omen for the superstitious Ashkenazis bopping up and down in front of their Wall! A more timely and serendipitous comment on the last days of Israel's political competence and military capability I couldn't have hoped for.

So now, let's see... What exactly is it that Hezbollah has lost? An indeterminate number of fighters... with an entire ocean of willing recruits waiting to take their place. An indeterminate number of missiles... with Iran and Syria only too willing to replace them, and more. Oh, and let's not forget the spectacular 'defeat' of going head to head with the IDF and making them look like clowns governed by jesters. Yes indeedly, a catastrophic defeat there.

And what has America gained from this propaganda/PR 'victory' for Israel? Conclusive proof that the most technologically advanced weaponry in the world is practically useless (except for destroying apartment buildings occupied by civilians) in the context of guerilla war, and the privilege of once more seeing Bush put his foot as deeply in his mouth as it will go. Oh yes, and the warm patriotic glow that follows from the realization that our political elites are now so sophisticated that they can lie and smile at the same time.

As I have said many times, the only way for America to gain anything in that region is to turn the whole of it, including Israel, into a sea of shining black glass, from Tehran to Damascus and not excepting Jerusalem. Kill Them All, along with anyone unfortunate enough to be in the region at the time.

The great drawback to my plan, other than the fact that there isn't an American politician now living with balls enough to carry it out, is that rabid racist weenies and armchair warriors such as those posting here (who, at least on the face of things, wouldn't know whether to shit themselves or go blind if confronted with an actual terrorist) will have no convenient scapegoat for the racism that's inherent in their support for Israel - other than Blacks of course, but we all know that they've been off-limits since Lyndon Johnson was President.

Personally, I still have hope that August 22nd is actually Doomsday, and I can be done once and for all with effusions of nonsense such as that set on display here.

I think it's pretty clear that Hezbollah won big-time from the recent skirmishing. As Emp said they got thousands of potential new recruits, they made Israel look like fairly incompetent warmongers (again) in the eyes of the non-US world, and they showed that a great power can be stalled or even halted by sufficient resolve and indiscriminate force.

They've also ensured that they'll get continued funding from rabid anti-Israel elements in the oil-rich states and extra military equipment from Syria.

In comparison Israel got nothing, they've merely ended up in the position I said they'd end up in - negotiating the return of their soldiers in exchange for the release of Lebanese prisoners. They may as well have not bothered for all the good it did them.

Israel should have just gone ahead and wiped them off the face of the planet then the little weenies that serve as the terrorist cheering section could go cry in their beds for a while.

This quote shows that either you allow your emotions to dictate your political ideas or you are just visually challenged to ground realities. You know as the rest of the world that the vicious campaign of air strikes launched by Israel over civilian targetsd of Lebanon was aimed at two end (1) destroy the civil infrastructure and cause civilian deasths on a large scale (2) collective punishments as in Gaza for having elected Hizbullah. Israel lost because the Hizbollah proved that its strategy of digging in and attaking Istrael grounf forces in ambushed all along the Lebanon border was a far superior tactic. Israel has lost big time and as I have said Arabs who believed in the military invincibiliuty of Israel have bbeen shown wrong.

But I think they can, and they learned a lot from this campaign. And I agree tha Israel lost. But they needn't have. They lost when they agreed to the UN Cease fire.

You are saying that Israel which has launched a most vicious campaign of using air force against civilians had any choice in the matter. For 33 days they tried and failed and agreed to ceasefire as there was no alernative. You can say that Olmert regime was incompetent to be defeated by a ragtag bunch of fighters and I think he will pay a heavy price for his military adventurism and failure. The world will prefer to see Plmert dressed in stripes doing time in prison for his war crimes in Lebanon.

There is no amount of appeasement which would slake their thirst for infidel blood. To pretend otherwise is to be a fool.

Thinking the worst of then Moslem world is not sound politics nor is it a recipie for lasting peace. Moslems too seek an honorable peace in the Middle East which Israel and USA are thwarting.

The fact that Israel restrained itself from completely leveling the entire country only proves that they also tried it the US way but that tactic just doesn't work. Hezbollah and the Lebanese people were plain lucky. Israel and the US were plain stupid for holding back.

This is the myth of "restraint" that is now being propagated. If you look at the campaign of bombing and wholescale destruction of civilian lives and property, I wonder whether you will speak of restraint. In fact the conduct of the Olmert regime qualifies for its arraignment before the International Court of Criminal Justice for WAR CRIMES.

The Israelis said that they are fighting to get their soldiers back. They did not get them back Now over 100 Israeli soldiers are dead, 1300 Lebonese civilians are dead anmd over 30 billion $ worth of damage. I am reminded of what the great German stateman Otto von BIsmark said during the Russo Turkiss WAr of 1877: The war is not worth the bones of a Pommeranian soldier. I wish Olmert and his fellow Kadima colleagues have the wisdom of that long dead sateman.

-Who advanced into who's territory?
-Who has driven the enemy back 18+ kilometers to the Litani river?
-Who has greatly reduced Hezbollah's ability to attack Israel by creating an 18+
kilometer neutral area that will be occupied by international and Lebaneze
forces?
-Who has sent a message to the rest of the Arab terrorist world that if you attack
it you'll be met with extreme force?


Now, looking at Hezbollah's stated objectives. Hmmm, let's see. The 'political' prisoners that they demanded be released in exchange for the two Israeli soldiers are still sitting in an Israeli jail and will be, most likely forever.

And the Sheba farms? Well, still in Israel's possesion and most likely will stay that way.


Keep in mind, this is a ceasefire, not a peace treaty. At best, it's an armistice, and as such it would not take much for both parties to resume hostilities, at which point Israel would show absolutely NO restraint. Only the complete and unconditional surrender of Hezbollah would end the fighting then.