It is time to declare you a total fool and send you to tell your mother she wants you!

You say that Prs. Bush avoided the "real" issues, yet he covered every "real" issue that has to do with Iraq. You were just too blinded, deafened and dumbed by your own pathetic hatred for Prs. Bush and freedom for the Iraqi people to notice.

Because I'm willing to hold the hand of the stupid, and help them understand the world around them, allow me to help.

We will stay the course in Iraq

That is not just "Bushspeak" for the Status Quo, it is exactly what we need to be doing now. We have met with far more success and taken (and caused) far fewer casualties than ANY war of its size in the history of the United States. Only a total terrorist loving coward would stop now.

53% are finding a problem with the war in Iraq? Oh really? Now tell me, did the precious little poll that you pray to at night break it down by "reason", or did it just say something as innanely stupid as "53% of Americans find a problem with the war in Iraq"? In case you lack the neurons to see a difference, let me help you. Does that mean 53% of the people in America want our troops out of Iraq? Or does it mean everything from "want our troops out of Iraq" to "want us to nuke the whole country and be done with it". Both are examples of "finding a problem", yet I bet your insipid little "poll" didn't break it down, did it? Why? Because they know that naive goats such as yourself don't care about facts. Meaningless "poll" numbers are all your little minds can handle, so they take the little spoon and with a friendly "chuga-chuga" the train goes into the tunnel and you willingly gum the food, never bothering to chew on it for a second to see what kind of food it actually is.

Time Table? What kind of idiot fights a war by the calendar? Tell me, what was the timetable for The Revolutionary War? The Civil War? WWI? WWII? Korea? Vietnam? The Gulf War? Hmmm?

The only war I can think of that came with a "timetable" was Bosnia. 1 year.. right? Have you wondered when that year is going to end? You scoff at the explanation, "the Resistance will just sit out the period and wait for the Americans to leave." Tell me, idiot. A stupid as you are, if your enemy told you that all you had to do was hold out a year (or whatever), what would you do? All a timetable would be saying is, "We don't have the stomach to actually finish the job we started, so we're going to do it for this long, then we'll just declare ourselves the winner and leave the Iraqi people to your raping and pillaging pleasure".

Just think, if more people thought like you, we wouldn't have to worry about war, since you and your kind would just say, "Rape me Baby!" instead of fight for freedom.

I vomit on you and all your cowardly stupidity!!!!

" It is time to declare you a total fool and send you to tell your mother she wants you!"

Now you've gone and made him cry.

Just think, if more people thought like you, we wouldn't have to worry about war, since you and your kind would just say, "Rape me Baby!" instead of fight for freedom.I vomit on you and all your cowardly stupidity!!!! Bonus Rating: Trolling Insightful

When the rhetoric gets this heated and abuse substitutes for reasoned discourse, I know that I am right.

Hey ParaTed, guess what? You've already lost your argument genius! Know whay? Because instead of contering Virupaksha's post with some facts of your own, you started out by calling him a fool and letting all the rest of us know that you don't have a good arguement to counter his with! Nice going! Now you've just made yourself look like the schoolyard bully who just pushed him off of the swing set, kicked him in the head, took his lunch money and says "Watch where your going faggot!" as you walk off to search for a little girl to punch.

Gezz man, it's not even constructive smack talk. I mean if you want to talk smack, fine, have at it! But use some imagination for crying out loud! That is what I can't understand about the far right sometimes! Instead of using the brains that God gave them whenever they want to debate with a Liberal and get their point aross, they resort to calling them terrorist loving cowards and traitors who deserve to be shot between the eyes. As if not liking the war was treason against the state punishable by death!

So pay attention boys and girls, school is in session. Here's a lesson on how to talk smack:

The one thing I am really sick and tired of are some of the crew on the right who talk a good game, but are not willing to back it up with any kind of action. So here's my challenge to all those who consider themselves "Red": why don't you bible-thumping, anti-equality, anti-employee, pro-big business, anti-abortion, pro-death, pro tax-and-spend-and-welch-on-the-debt freaks on the right start walking the walk for a change. Starting with you ParaTed. You love this country so much? You support this President and what he stands for so much? You support this war and all the troops fighting in it so much? Then prove it! Instead of talking the talk and calling guys like Virupaksha cowards, why don't you do something to prove to the rest of us that you are a patriotic American? It's really simple so even you should be able to pull this off, and you'll only have to do one thing...

Enlist.

Instead of taking guys like Virupaksha to task for their opinion, why don't go down to your local recruitment office, become an Army of One, fly out to the gulf and start putting bullets into all the insurgents you can find? You really love this country? I want to see you prove it! I want to see you do something besides pumnp out insults on your keyboard all day long whenever your not living in your parents basement, sitting on the couch in your underware watching the Military Channel all day long.

Oh by the way Ted, here's a little tip for you...

When you start to notice that your genitallia is turning orange, that's a signal that you should back away from the Cheetoes.


And that boys and girls is how you talk smack...

So do trhe rest of us with brains and imagination a favor, if you are going to debate someone on their political views, don't resort to the tired old 6th grade schoolyard crap that I see in the local fishwrap everyday. It just shows that not only are you incapable of using what little brains God saw fit to bless you with, it just defeats your whole arguement and it makes people not take you seriously.

Now, you want to know how this should have been handled? Take out your notebooks and observe...

Virupaksha, where are you getting your facts and figures from? Are you refering to the new Washington Post-ABC News poll? If so, could you please be more specific as to what the results actually said? For example:

"The survey found that only one in eight Americans currently favors an immediate pullout of U.S. forces, while a solid majority continues to agree with Bush that the United States must remain in Iraq until civil order is restored -- a goal that most of those surveyed acknowledge is, at best, several years away.

Amid broad skepticism about Bush's credibility and whether the war was worth the cost, there were some encouraging signs for the president. A narrow majority -- 52 percent -- currently believe that the war has contributed to the long-term security of the United States, a five-point increase from earlier this month...

So far, continuing spasms of violence in Iraq are competing with regular declarations of progress in Washington. Few people agree with Vice President Cheney's recent claim that the insurgency is in its "last throes." The survey found that 22 percent of Americans -- barely one in five -- say they believe that the insurgency is getting weaker, while 24 percent believe it is strengthening. More than half -- 53 percent -- say resistance to U.S. and Iraqi government forces has not changed, a view that matches the assessment offered last week in congressional testimony by the U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. John P. Abizaid.

Views of the current status of the insurgency were deeply colored by partisanship. More than a third of all Republicans, 35 percent, agreed with the administration that the insurgents were growing weaker in Iraq, compared with 13 percent of all Democrats and 19 percent of all political independents..."

A little more information please about what the poll was actually saying. Like the fact that a total of 1,004 randomly selected adults were interviewed by telephone June 23-26 for the survey.

And by the way, about Al-Queda becoming stronger, do you have any hard evidence to back that up or is that just your own personal opinion? Myself, I haven't seen any evidence to back up such a claim so could you provide a source for me to go to so that I can read it and make up my own mind?


That's what I mean. If you want to be skeptikal and want him to back up what he is saying whit facts then fine. But to resort to name calling? It doesn't make you right...

...it just makes you look like a liberal.

Virupaksha, where are you getting your facts and figures from? Are you refering to the new Washington Post-ABC News poll? If so, could you please be more specific as to what the results

Instead of using the brains that God gave them whenever they want to debate with a Liberal and get their point aross, they resort to calling them terrorist loving cowards and traitors who deserve to be shot between the eyes

I respect the point of view you have put across and though I do not fully or even partially agree with them. You are obviously a person who, like me believes in the sanctity of the right of expression and do not want nor will tolerate infringement of that right. In that I am with you.

As for Iraq my perspective is somewhat different. Iam not squemish about bloodshed if it serves a greater purpose. I am afraid that in Iraq the violence is leading neither the USA not the Iraqis anywhere. Therefore the occupation and the war are unjustified.

Second, even during the Presidential Debates the Bushmen had everyone believe that he had a plan of action for Iraq and needed his second term to implement it. Now it is certain that the Bushmen have no plan except continuation of the staus quo.

How long do you think the American public will tolerate a war that is stuck in a QUAGMIRE with no end in sight.

That's what I mean. If you want to be skeptikal and want him to back up what he is saying whit facts then fine. But to resort to name calling? It doesn't make you right...

There has been a number of learned reviews in Foreign Affairs and the recent writings of a neo conservative like LUttwak that covers the same ground. As for AL Qaeda, the Press all over Asia and even Europe has been saying that this terrorist group has become active. AS far as Iraq is concerned the USA has not been able to stop the flow of trained terrorists from Saudi Arabia and other regions.

When the rhetoric gets this heated and abuse substitutes for reasoned discourse, I know that I am right.

Bahu, I know you're right, also. These fools will get it some day. Maybe.

Notice how dubya again linked the invasion in Iraq with 9/11. It was subtle, but it was there. "We will fight the war on terror no matter where they are." (paraphrasing). But, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or the terrorists until we mucked up the country. Now it sure does.

You support this President and what he stands for so much? You support this war and all the troops fighting in it so much? Then prove it! Instead of talking the talk and calling guys like Virupaksha cowards, why don't you do something to prove to the rest of us that you are a patriotic American? It's really simple so even you should be able to pull this off, and you'll only have to do one thing... Enlist.

See, that's a bit of a problem. I've tried to enlist. I've been medically barred from enlistment. So, I do the next best thing. Support the troops. Work for a government contractor that helps provide the tools that our troops need and use.

I've also got a brother that is currently serving in the VA National Guard. My father and grandfather are both retired military. My other grandfather and my wife's uncle are both veterans (WWII). So, if military service is all that is required to prove patriotism and support, does this meet your level of proof?

Yes, there were no terrorists operating in Iraq prior to Bush removing Saddam. If anyone thinks because they are operating in Iraq we are safer they are dangerously naïve. In addition to the terrorists operating in Iraq, they have begun to regrouping in Afghanistan. We have not weakened there movement we have enabled it and given the terrorists a great recruiting tool to gather more of the nuts that would inflict another 9/11 or worse in the United States.

Bush said absolutely nothing new in this great speech last night! He says the same things over and over. We must stay the course. We were right to go into Iraq and the continued reference to 9/11 and the war on terrorism in Iraq. None of what Bush said is any more true today then it was the first time he said it!!!!! There is no evidence that 9/11 was planned or executed by anyone in Iraq! Where it was planned, we are fiddling around and have allowed Osama bin Laden to remain free because we have not committed the necessary resources to finish the job in Afghanistan were 9/11 was hatched. As to the number of troops needed in Iraq, every general that told Bush what he needed has somehow retired. Tommy Franks said he needed 300,000 troops in Iraq the day that Saddam Hussein fell in order to control the country. Bush provided about 130,000 of the 300,000 and as a result our military could not control the borders, prevent the enemy from using the ammunition dumps, clean out the pockets of resistance that were bypassed on our rush to Baghdad or safeguard the infrastructure that the American taxpayer is paying to rebuild. Both the decision to go into Iraq was flawed as well as the execution of that plan because Bush doesn't know what he is doing!

So pay attention boys and girls, school is in session. Here's a lesson on how to talk smack: The one thing I am really sick and tired of are some of the crew on the right who talk a good game, but are not willing to back it up with any kind of action. So here's my challenge to all those who consider themselves "Red": why don't you bible-thumping, anti-equality, anti-employee, pro-big business, anti-abortion, pro-death, pro tax-and-spend-and-welch-on-the-debt freaks on the right start walking the walk for a change. Starting with you ParaTed. You love this country so much? You support this President and what he stands for so much? You support this war and all the troops fighting in it so much? Then prove it! Instead of talking the talk and calling guys like Virupaksha cowards, why don't you do something to prove to the rest of us that you are a patriotic American? It's really simple so even you should be able to pull this off, and you'll only have to do one thing... Enlist.

LW is correct! "BEFORE" you start talking "smack" about someone and questioning their patriotism, you should "first" inquire as to whether or not they're a vet! Which just for "your" info you'll find that most of us here are vets or the spouse of a current military member. And for the record are you now or have you ever been in the US military? If not it's time to put up or shut up.

Bush didn't avoid the issues, he addressed them. You just don't like his answers. Big difference. If you can't express your views and be honest at the same time, why do you bother?

Whether you agree or disagree with the reasons behind the war, the reality is we are there now. There is no magic time machine that can go back and change that fact. Some of you would like to see us just pull out and leave the Iraqis to their fate. That's unrealistic and cruel.

Now that we are there, we have a responsibility to ensure that those people have a chance of establishing a solid government and a peaceful society for themselves. That means protecting them from the foreign terrorists (not rebels, insurgents, or freedom fighters...they're terrorists) until they are in a reasonable position to defend themselves.

To do otherwise at this point is simply cruel and heartless.

A little more information please about what the poll was actually saying. Like the fact that a total of 1,004 randomly selected adults were interviewed by telephone June 23-26 for the survey.

Wow. A poll of 1,004 Americans represents the thoughts of over a 100 million people.

Yes, there were no terrorists operating in Iraq prior to Bush removing Saddam.

I can name two right off the top of my head.

Tommy Franks said he needed 300,000 troops in Iraq the day that Saddam Hussein fell in order to control the country.

Links please? If you are going to make these claims, please back them up with facts.

Gen Franks Op Plan 1003(Iraq War Plan) is detailed in The Price of Loyalty by Ron Susking. On page 95, the requirements for troop strength is laid out. Per Gen Franks, The day Saddam falls he said we need 300,000 troops to establish and maintain control of Iraq. Gen Shinseci, Former Army CoS told Bush it would take "several Hubdred Thousand Boots on the Ground" in Iraq. Amb. Paul Bremen said he asked Bush for more troops and Bush did NOTHING to provide the added troops! We never establish the proper control of the borders, amo dumps, areas of unrest or protect things like water and oil lines etc.

There were no terrorists that endangered the US in Iraq prior to Bush invading Iraq. When the Saddam government fell, thay came in droves and our lack of manpower could not control in the insurgents in the country or prevent insurgents and terrorists from coming into Iraq from other countries since we could not control the border. The way this war was conducted after Saddam fell is a disgrace principally because Bush do not listen to his military chiefs who have a hell of a lot more understanding of what it takes to control a country then George W. Bush. We have a Commander in Chief that does not possess the military knowledge himself and does not listen to those that have the military experience and know how. His choice to send less troops then required has caused many American lives and injuries. Great Job Mr. Bush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!