Again the lie.  I wish you liberals would get your facts straight.  the Old soviet Union provided him with weapons, the west only provided him with Intel.  Please dont propigate a lie and think that repeating it often enough will validate it.

Hm.

When I was there Kurdish officials showed me lots of weapons but they were all made in the Soviet Union.

http://gallery.me.com/ajbrehm#100025&bgcolor=black&view=grid

Is it possible that you are confusing the US with the Soviet Union?

I don't know anything about bioligical weapons in Iraq. I was shown pictures of victims of chemical weapons. But as far as I could discover the poison gas was made in a German-sponsored factory in Samarra (in Iraq). Is that the "West" you were referring to? It sounded as if you were pointing at America rather than Germany.

Of course you (Arty) might have better sources than I. (Some guy who was never there wrote a book? Isn't that how you discovered the crimes of the Shah?)

You usually claim to have superior knowledge. You also "knew" more about the Lebanon war than I (who was there while it happened), so it wouldn't surprise me if you "knew" more about Saddam's weapons than I (who has seen them in their natural environment).

The weirdest thing is that while the EU now tries to save Hamas from defeat, Egypt has been standing firmly behind Israel.

It goes without saying that the EU doesn't really care about civilians. If it did, France and Germany wouldn't have sold weapons to Saddam Hussein and would have been just as active diplomatically to stop the Sudanese government from killing hudreds of thousands of Darfurians as it is now trying to stop Israel from killing Hamas terrorists.

Doc, that goes without saying.

Of course, a liberal cannot say the same thing without a but-face.

You know, I don't really care about "good" or "evil".

I have learned from liberals that it is "evil" for Jews not to submit to rocket fire. But "good" and "evil" are outdated concepts.

It is time liberals wake up and realise that the world has changed from "murdering Jewish children is good" or "murdering Jewish children is evil" to "murder Jewish kids and you will die".

It doesn't matter if firing rockets into Jewish schools is "good" or "evil". It doesn't matter if shooting back until it stops is "good" or "evil". All that matters is that IF it happens, there WILL be a response.

We can ignore the morality of it completely if you like.

If the world cannot accept that murdering Jews is "evil", we might at least get the world to accept that murdering Jews now has consequences.

Anyway, you can now stop pretending that "pure good" has anything to do with the discussion. The discussion is now officially about only the consequences of murdering Jews and not the morality of it.

Israel just hit a school in Gaza.

Hence the world has now decided that hitting schools is "evil".

It wasn't "evil" last week when Hamas and the PLO had fired at schools for years, on purpose, with no repercussions whatsoever.

Can a liberal please explain to me why hitting schools is now "evil" and wasn't last week?

I am just asking out of curiosity.

Leauki said-

Twenty-four U.S. firms were involved in exporting arms and materials to Baghdad.^[6]

Donald Riegle, Chairman of the Senate committee that authored the aforementioned Riegle Report, said,

UN inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control sent Iraq 14 agents "with biological warfare significance," according to Riegle's investigators.^[22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war

Oh yeah, and the U.S also sent 70 shipments of anthrax to Iraq too.

What happened to all that stuff?

The media are now reporting Hamas has declared that Israel has legitimized killing Jewish children anywhere in the world.  And they are reporting it as if that's OK.  No condemnation of the statement.

It's old news. Hamas have always said that killing Jewish children is legitimate.

And the world has never reacted as if that weren't OK, not when Hitler said it, not when the PLO said it; why would it be different when Hamas says it again?

It's inconceivable, but it appears like the liberals posting here, despite their obvious superior knowledge of these things, have been wrong about military strikes not working against terrorist groups.

Hizbullah is apparently under orders not to help Hamas because Lebanon fears an Israeli response.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1053014.html\

Key words were 'The media are now reporting' - as if it were a new thing.  Just pointing out the hypocrisy, which is itself old news, I admit.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Conducting a military operation in this manner-

http://www.btselem.org/English/Press_Releases/20090106.asp

Brings you down the same level as your enemy. Additionaly, and this is no excuse or justification, the vast majority of the munitions fired by Hamas are unguided homemade rockets with a handful of low grade soviet munitions. Meanwhile, Israel has 1000 and 2000 pound guided munitions, helicopter gunships, mobile artillery, merkaba (merkava?) tanks, full control of the skies, massive surveillance apparatus and depleted uranium rounds. In short, the IDF has a much more powerful force at it's disposal, and therefore much more responsibility in choosing how that force is applied.

The current manner in which they've chosen to apply that force is the worst possible, and using the argument that "since they blow up our schools we can do the same to them!" means that during WW2 the Allies would have been equally justified in taking German prisoners (civillians) and sending them to death camps. But they didn't, because they were better than their enemies.

So the same applies to Israel, but to imply that there's any serious comparison between Hamas and the IDF in terms of their capabilities is laughable at best. Hamas is some guys with small arms and largely innefective short range, indirect fire weapons with little to no guidance. Israel has one of the best military apparatus on the planet, with the full support and backing of the U.S and yet they've argued that it's necessary to bring this massive hammer down to crush a flea, which of course will do more dammage to the surrounding area than the flea. This will ensure that they'll have plenty of enemies down the road, as the survivors will be embittered towards them. And so it goes.

Now the aerial munitions dropped by Israel are deliberately targeted. That means that when a hospital or school is hit, specifically two schools being used as marked U.N shelters for noncombatants, someone in the IDF made the conscious decision to drop bombs on it.

Now, does this mean that the IDF are deliberately targeting civillian structures for some evil reason? I don't think so. If anything, and going in conjunction with the fact that 4 IDF soldiers have been killed in the last little while by friendly fire, this is indicative of another issue;

Contrary to all the spin, clearly Gaza has become a free fire zone for the IDF, and they've brought a lot of firepower to bear on it. This is similar to what happened in the second American attack on Fallujah, when the whole area was essentially a free fire zone and they turned one of the local stadiums into a mass morgue. Same thing happening here, on a possibly larger scale.

After GW1 almost all of what was left was destroyed... hence why so little "WMD's" were found in Iraq when they invaded in GW2.

Just a few notes. Living in Gaza before it was given to Palestianians it was nice.  It a lot of grapes and olives plantation and the land.  Now after (I still was there for work but moved) it was given up its just a waste land.

Now before I gone on I am sick and tired of the ignorance level of people in the States.

First, Hamas is a militia which has been stated.  BUT ITS MAIN OBJECTIVE IS TO WIPE OUT ISRAEL.

Second, there is an individual who keeps saying that Israel is a foreign occupier.  I am guessing he's from the States and you, sir (Cry), according to your very own logic are a foreign occupier and best leave the States ASAP.  Unless you are a Native American.

Third, Israel agreed to the 48 land solution PA didn't.  They again had the opporunity in the 78/79 and PA still didn't agree to it.

Fourth, there HAVE ALWAYS been Jews in the land called Israel and will be until true Moshiach comes.

Fifth, most people from the States (or at least people from California/West Coast) don't realize is that Israel is only the lessor satan according to radical Islam.  The U.S. is the great satan. 

Sixth, after leaving over in Israel (lived on the Jumbla Zatune/Har Zatem aka Mount of Olives) as well I would not fly an 'American' flag any where in PA or on the Mount of Olives due to the fact that they dislike people from the State.

Seventh, there WILL NEVER BE PEACE FOR LAND! Giving land for peace will never work!

That is all. One final thing is that CNN only reports the Israel military dead compared to all of the dead PA.

News Media Outlets in the States are bunch of mooncalves! I'm not just talking about CNN here but FoxNews.

Blessings!

After looking over my post. I am kind of ashamed at how bad it is since it is my native tongue.  I meant living in Sixth, after leaving and not leaving. For the fourth sentence I meant now before I go on.

Please spare some forgiveness. It is hard to type one language when you have people talking to you in a different one (especially if you know the other language).  Now if you didn't know the language then it wouldn't be a problem.