Remember, if it's not 100% perfect, then it's just not worth it to them.

--COL All that is not worth ONE AMERICAN LIFE --do you believe the american revolution was worth the lives lost during it...hmmm?

I see we are still waiting for answer. Col, are you going to respond?

I see we are still waiting for answer. Col, are you going to respond?

Give him time...he has to find a slogan that fits.

do you believe the american revolution was worth the lives lost during it...hmmm?

Is there a poll about this anywhere?

I'll start a thread about that...oh, and COL, I'm waiting....................

(I think he decided to leave this thread,or,he's busy...)

Col, we are still waiting.

Yes, the American Revolution was worth all the lives. If the Iraq people wanted to do the same thing, more power to them. My point is American lives SHOULD NOT have been committed. That task was up to the Iraq people just like it was up to the American colonists. France did not attack England so the Americans could be free. Although we received help from the French, it was only after we took the action in the first place and that is what should of happen in Iraq. We did not need King George W. to send in the American military!

Yes, the American Revolution was worth all the lives. If the Iraq people wanted to do the same thing, more power to them. My point is American lives SHOULD NOT have been committed. That task was up to the Iraq people just like it was up to the American colonists. France did not attack England so the Americans could be free. Although we received help from the French, it was only after we took the action in the first place and that is what should of happen in Iraq. We did not need King George W. to send in the American military

---COL, try logiclly looking at the iraqi peoples situation when hussein was there, he had a large following, if they rose against him, they would have been outnumbered,slaughtered and end of story...we, because of our size and strength,were able to easily invade iraq,controling it is another story...so you see,the iraqi people couldn't have...they lacked the resources...

---COL, try logiclly looking at the iraqi peoples situation when hussein was there

He will never look at anything logically. If it was up to people like him, Saddam would still be in Kuwait also.

The terrorists in Iraq today face a power far greater then Saddam - The United States Military. Look at the problems they create EVERY Day. America faced the worlds greatest power - England in 1776. If the Iraq people wanted to be free of Saddam, it was they, not the United Stades that should have made the sacrifice necessary to free themselves from Saddam Hussein. It was not the responsibility of the United States to free the Iraqis anymore than it is for the United States to free the North Koreans, the Syrians, the Iranians or the peoples dominated by the many despots in Africa. That is a lesson George W. Bush has not learned. If the people of Iraq had risen up against Saddam and then other countries would have provided assistance, there would be a very different picture in Iraq today. We would not be looked on as invaders and occupiers. Bush made a tragic mistake that we can not allow to be repeated in the future!

The news from Iraq is getting messier by the day. The American public was told that once the elections are held peace and quiet will descend on Iraq. (Actually I would like you to point me to where this was said. I think if you check what was said that do not expect the insurgency to stop just because of elections.)

Those opf us who have been follwing that story knew better. Now after 150,000 (point me to your reliable source for this please, because I know you can’t.)

Iraqi lives destroyed, billions of dollars worth of infrastructure destroyed, nearly 2000 US soldiers killed in action (You should always check your facts before you open your mouth and insert foot. The number killed in action as of today is 1349 a bit shy of your 2000, and by the way, every one of them was a precious life.)

and the golbal image of the USA is tatters it is time to reflect on the whole issue. The neo conmen who led the country to war underestimated the power of the Iraqi Resistance. They were not aware that in1922-24 when the British administered Mesopotamia as part of its maNDATED TERRITORY there was hell in store for them at a time when the Iraqi civil society was far less developed than it is today. (I assume you are trying to tell me the Military leaders never read history right? Regret to inform you that the military leaders know more of these matters than you do. )


There is no way this war can be won. (What would you define as winning? Since we have not had another 9/11 attack in the US since 9/11 I would think that as winning myself, but I only live here)

Luttwak is perfectly right when he says that USA must disengage itself from Iraq. Disengagement is not retreat and must not be perceived that way. In the last week alone Bagdad has seen the death of nearly 550 civillians in car bombs and other acts of violence targetted against Iraqi s. (And in the last few months over 1200 terrorist have been captured or killed, tons of explosives found and destroyed, and leaders of terrorist cells taken out of action. Also just a FYI, Iraqi civilians, the ones you say are getting killed, are the ones turning in the terrorist.)

A disturbing trend is that the troops are not being rotated.(WHERE in the world did you get this?? We have gone from nearly 200,000 troops down to less than 130,000. The Iraqi Army now has more than 163,000 troops and 27 active Btns.)


This means that after a tour of duty a soldier who could look forward to spending time with his wife and children can no longer do so.(This is a bold face lie, sorry)

The morale of troops will be affected and more importantly even the top brass of the US army is admitting that the war is bearing down heavily on troop morale. Gen Raggis was chashiered from the US army for telling the truth. (LOL, Sorry, but the troops are reupping in record numbers and asking to go back for multiple tours. In fact my buddy has just gone back for his second tour, at his request!)

At this rate the dreaded draft will be introduced and that is the only way the present level of American engagement can be maintained. (Sorry its not that bad. Hang in there though, you still have global warming to talk about)


As for as the Iraqis taking over the security operations just forget it. The Iraqis are nowhere close to reaching the target. AT THE FIRST SIGN OF GUNNFIRE THE iRAQI FLEES AND THE FEW who stand and fight find that they are usually overlooked for rewards which is cornered by the staff officers close to the Americans. (You may want to view these, http://shadowwar.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=78208,
http://shadowwar.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=77337
http://shadowwar.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=77063
As for the Iraqi’s fleeing and such, that’s blatant crap. Pardon the expression.

Moreover the level of Intellegence of the Iraqi resistance is improving. This spells danger. (And where do you get this crap? In fact the Iraqi people are becoming more and more involved in turning in the terrorist and weapons. Schools are being built, infrastructure being updated and increased. You need to take your hate of the US Government and Bush and temper it with a dose of reality. If you want to see what positive things are going on I invite you to read my blob here on joeuser.)

The Left Wing Media is the ones who are reporting the bad things in Iraq. We have done miracles for the Iraqis. Hmmm. back in World War 2, on the day of June 6th, 1944, we as Americans had lost over 56,000 lives to gain a few miles into the Normandy Coast and that was only ONE day. We have been in Iraq for over 2 years and we have only lost 1,700 lives or so. I believe we are doing a good job for that. You also cannot really stop a road side bomb before they detonate. That is pretty much the only thing that is killing are troops except RPG's. But when those RPG's go off, we kill the shooter.

It was not the responsibility of the United States to free the Iraqis anymore than it is for the United States to free the North Koreans, the Syrians, the Iranians or the peoples dominated by the many despots in Africa. That is a lesson George W. Bush has not learned. If the people of Iraq had risen up against Saddam and then other countries would have provided assistance, there would be a very different picture in Iraq today. We would not be looked on as invaders and occupiers. Bush made a tragic mistake that we can not allow to be repeated in the future!

--One, think about it, the colonies were better off than the iraqi's, they had better economies,etc...

--And so those countries that profited from the Oil for food program...yep, they would have waited...

--Not every one views the US as invaders....and, why sit around and let innocent people be murdered by the thousands...hmmm,kinda like the sudan, yet people are worried about that and bashing bush

The only people who see the US as "bogged down" in Iraq are immature infants who think that every problem that can't be handled in 30 minutes (with time out for station identification and this word from our sponsors").

You can be an infantile whiner if you want, personally, I'll stick with reality.

Reality is, there is more success in Iraq, with fewer casualties than any war of its size and scope in which the U.S. has every been involved.

The quitting idiots who say we need to pull out now would have ended the Revolutionary War, The Civil War, WWI, & WWII in the first couple of years.

Quit being a baby and GROW UP!!!

WE should never have been in the situation of quitting. We SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN Iraq. This is not WWII or the American Revolution. This is a war that Bush wanted and has nothing to do with 9/11 or making America Safer. Bush sold America, Congress and the world a load of S*it!